Alt.Toughness feat

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Here's an idea similar to Spellcasting Prodigy from FRCS, but for Toughness:

Toughness [General]
You are tougher than normal.
Prerequisite: Con 11+
Benefit: Your CON score is treated as being two points higher than normal for determining bonus hit points.
Special: You may only take this feat once.

Now the feat *always* helps you by giving *at least* +1 hp/level.

Any thoughts? Too strong? Too weak?

[EDIT] Took out the bonus to Fort saves and concentration checks after thinking on drow dude's & forrester's comments, below.
[EDIT] Added "Special" restriction.

 

[Outergod]

Here's an idea similar to Spellcasting Prodigy from FRCS, but for Toughness:

Toughness [General]
You are tougher than normal.
Prerequisite: Con 11+
Benefit: Your CON score is treated as being two points higher than normal for determining bonus hit points, Fortitude saves, and Concentration checks.

Now the feat *always* helps you by giving *at least* +1 hp/level and +1 to Fort saves and +1 Concentration checks. Toughness now kicks ass as a viable feat choice for anybody, and spellcasters in particular.

Thoughts?

THAT'S IT!! Consider it Used In My Campaign (tm). Excellent Idea.

Thanks Kap'n K

Outergod

 

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Hehehehe! Damn, I'm cool.

Dance, little men! Dance the dance of coolness!!!

 

[Forrester]

May be a little strong.

What's the difference between that feat and a feat that gave you +2 to Con?

I don't think Spellcasting Prodigy gives you +2 to Intelligence -- just acts as though you had +2 to Intelligence for the purposes of DCs.

But you pretty much have bonuses to *all* the important Con stuff -- hit points, Fort saves, Concentration checks. What's left?

Maybe limit it to an essential +2 to Con for just hit points being decided. Starts being better than Toughness at 4th level, but there's no early boost. Makes it an okay feat, I think (unless you boosted it to 2hp when you take it, 1hp every level thereafter).

 

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Yanked the Fort save bonus as you suggested, but left Concentration. It's only a +1 bonus to Concentration checks, after all, which is pretty much useless for anyone except spellcasters.

BTW: Spellcasting Prodigy's +2 bonus is good for spell DCs and bonus spells cast per day.

 

[drowdude]

Iz kewl... but I would drop the concentration bonus.



Just for comparisons sake I combined Toughness & all the various Toughness feats in MotW into a single feat that scales as your Fort save increases.

 

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Iz kewl... but I would drop the concentration bonus.

Just for comparisons sake I combined Toughness & all the various Toughness feats in MotW into a single feat that scales as your Fort save increases.

Ok, changed it per your advice. Please post your alt.toughness feat so we can compare!

 

[drowdude]

Ok, changed it per your advice. Please post your alt.toughness feat so we can compare!

Like I said, I just took the existing feats and combined them into one feat that is actually worth taking

Toughness...

Base Fort +0 = +3 HP
Base Fort +5 = +6 HP
Base Fort +8 = +9 HP
Base Fort +11 = +12 HP


That aside I really do like your version as well.

 

[Kaptain_Kantrip]

Which version is better? Gives more HP?

 

[Buddha the DM]

Kaptain: I like your variant toughness feat. Any chance that you'd give me permission to use it on my site?