Am I the only one who doesn't like the D&D Vampire? (Pointless rant, I suppose)

mmadsen said:

Was that the extent of his weakness to daylight? He certainly kept nocturnal hours, sleeping by day, and only meeting Mr. Harker by night (when they met in Transylvania).

Yes, that was the extent of it. However, he showed a clear preference for sleeping by day.

Remember when Van Helsing, Jonathan, and the others go to one of the properties, fully expecting Dracula to show up? This was during the day (he was going to get some money). They confront him and try to fight him, but he flees.
 

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Remember when Van Helsing, Jonathan, and the others go to one of the properties, fully expecting Dracula to show up? This was during the day (he was going to get some money). They confront him and try to fight him, but he flees.
Is that when Van Helsing summons his terriers from next door to take on the hordes of rats? (I love that scene.)
 

mmadsen said:

Was that the extent of his weakness to daylight? He certainly kept nocturnal hours, sleeping by day, and only meeting Mr. Harker by night (when they met in Transylvania).

I read the book long ago; I think he lost all vampire powers during daylight and become a normal man, although extremely strong and agile.
 

If we replace the Con drain from the bite with Negative Levels, and we introduce a Vampire class with multiple levels, perhaps we can mix the two. Negative Levels that become permanent don't become lost levels; they become Vampire levels.

Just thinking out loud...
 

I would suggest the following changes to the Vampire:

Give it an "Inhuman Strength" ability - +6 to existing strength score, plus the ability to take 20 on any grapple or strength check.

Take away level draining.

Allow a "Dark Gift (Anne Rice)" or "Baptism of Blood (Bram Stoker's 'Dracula' novel)" ability - by forcing a victim to drink its blood, the vampire can establish a link to the victim, similar to a 'mindlink.' Upon death, any character so bonded will become a vampire. Additionally, any character thus afflicted cannot handle any Holy object, tread on Holy ground, and suffers a -1 to attacks, saves, and skill checks in sunlight.
 

It has been a while since I read Stoker's Dracula, but my recollection is that his vampire's attacked their targets only when they were sleeping, or at least near to it.

I think this fits in with historical accounts of supposed cases of vampirism and extant folklore, in which someone of failing health would report a fevered recollection of someone recently departed, a relative or neighbor, troubling their sleep. The conclusion reached by pre-scientific minds was that the cause of this person's distress was predation by the restless spirit of the departed (or a demonic spirit residing in his corpse and assuming his likeness), in other words, a vampire. Action was taken to prevent further attacks by taking some action against the corpse.

What I see as interesting in this is that the vampire attacks when the victim is vulnerable not just physically, abed and sleeping, but psychically as well. The victim's conscious mind is relaxed, his or her mental barriers down. The victim reacts to the vampire's attack as if it is but a dream or nightmare, and is even apt to forget it, as dreams are often forgotten once the sleeper wakens.

The sense of paralysis that Mina feels when confronted by Dracula is also reminiscent of the helplessness a dreamer might experience in a nightmare, the sense of dislocation of perspective in which a dreamer feels as if he is watching a scene unfold but unable to exert himself to alter it.

From what I remember, the attack of Dracula's 'brides' on Jonathan Harker seem to him like a troubling, though decidedly erotic, nightmare.

And when Lucy rises from the grave, doesn't Van Helsing make some comment about how she is trapped eternally in some sort of fugue, having succumbed in her sleep?

I'd like to know what people think of this, especially those with more recent acquaintance with the text.
 

It has been a while since I read Stoker's Dracula, but my recollection is that his vampire's attacked their targets only when they were sleeping, or at least near to it.
I think you make a good point, Dagredhel. The Vampire shouldn't drain his victims casually, in the midst of combat. At the very least, we want his drain to take time and leave him somewhat vulnerable (i.e. give up an Attack of Opportunity).
 

In Dracula, the title character never attempts to make use of his hypnotic powers when confronted by a group, only on a solitary victim. When the newly undead Lucy appeals to her former fiance Lord Godalming (if I'm remembering his name correctly,) when confronted by the group of men outside of her crypt, the attempt fails. The Dominate power of the D&D vampire and the Charm Person ability of its spawn are much more puissant than the mesmeric power of Stoker's creations. While the D&D vampire is nearly unstoppable, Dracula invariably flees when confronted by a group of men.
 

In Dracula, the title character never attempts to make use of his hypnotic powers when confronted by a group, only on a solitary victim.
Another good point.
While the D&D vampire is nearly unstoppable, Dracula invariably flees when confronted by a group of men.
Stoker's Dracula behaves like a predator. He's scary, and he's powerful, but he doesn't square up for a fair fight when he can snatch a victim at his leisure some other time.

I think that's key to the Vampire's flavor.
 


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