D&D 5E Amazon US book sales rank.

darjr

I crit!
the new cover Tyranny of Dragons is at #1895 out of all books on Amazon US. At $35.

In preorder still.

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They yet to be detailed book Keys from the Golden Vault is at #8837 at $45.
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the PHB is #140 at $22
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Dragonlance is at #1648 at $45

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Spelljammer is at 958 at $39
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Reynard

Legend
Folks use this thread to measure how D&D is doing all the time. Has there been any movement that suggests the OGL debacle is having any impact on sales -- especially preorders of the next book (Keys)?
 

darjr

I crit!
Folks use this thread to measure how D&D is doing all the time. Has there been any movement that suggests the OGL debacle is having any impact on sales -- especially preorders of the next book (Keys)?
No, I've been looking. It has only been a few days. Less than a week? oof.
 

TerraDave

5ever, or until 2024
Those PHB sales indicate that people are still getting into the game...at an astonishing rate. I am sure most of them barely have any idea of who WotC is, except maybe as the company that also does Magic.

That doesn't mean the OGL fiasco can't have an impact, it can. But right now D&D still has great momentum.
 

Clint_L

Hero
I think it also might indicate that X-mas just happened and D&D is now enough of a cultural presence that it is an easy gift to buy when you're not sure what to get your niece or nephew who seem kind of nerdy. We don't know how many of those PHBs are being read.
 

Steel_Wind

Legend
Those PHB sales indicate that people are still getting into the game...at an astonishing rate. I am sure most of them barely have any idea of who WotC is, except maybe as the company that also does Magic.

That doesn't mean the OGL fiasco can't have an impact, it can. But right now D&D still has great momentum.
It can take a while, but the worm can turn; sharply over what can seem in retrospect a relatively small slice in time.

In August of 2007, we heard: "The game is the same; the game is the same". That was the hype video release for 4e. Dungeon and Dragon Magazine weren't being cancelled, they were "coming home" from Paizo, to quote Chris Perkins.

A year later, things didn't look nearly so cheery with the GSL. 4 years after THAT, 4th ed was withdrawn from the marketplace.

These things can turn over a relatively brief period of time - but not a week. It's a matter of 2-5 years, not 2-5 weeks.

But they CAN turn, just the same.
 

Oofta

Legend
Those PHB sales indicate that people are still getting into the game...at an astonishing rate. I am sure most of them barely have any idea of who WotC is, except maybe as the company that also does Magic.

That doesn't mean the OGL fiasco can't have an impact, it can. But right now D&D still has great momentum.
I doubt most people who play D&D even know about this. In addition, most people don't use 3rd party products in my experience.

Even if other companies stop publishing tomorrow many, if not most, people won't care. That doesn't make it any better for the people it affects, but it is the reality. Most people just want to continue to play D&D.
 

Clint_L

Hero
4e didn't fail because of the GSL. It failed because most players thought it was an inferior version of D&D compared to Pathfinder. I know 4e had/has its fans, but the general consensus at the time was "this feels more like it wants to be World of Warcraft, while Paizo is actually sticking to D&D's roots."
 


Zardnaar

Legend
I doubt most people who play D&D even know about this. In addition, most people don't use 3rd party products in my experience.

Even if other companies stop publishing tomorrow many, if not most, people won't care. That doesn't make it any better for the people it affects, but it is the reality. Most people just want to continue to play D&D.

Anyone who watches any YouTube D&D content can't really miss us.

Since they are effected as well it's pretty much universally negative.

Last three me around 4E defenders thought a single YouTube video with 40k views mocking 3.5 helped sink 4E.
 

dave2008

Legend
Folks use this thread to measure how D&D is doing all the time. Has there been any movement that suggests the OGL debacle is having any impact on sales -- especially preorders of the next book (Keys)?

No, I've been looking. It has only been a few days. Less than a week? oof.
I don't know if it is related, but Dragonlance has dropped about 1,000 spots:

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However, the PHB is still really high at #118 for all books:
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Oofta

Legend
Anyone who watches any YouTube D&D content can't really miss us.

Since they are effected as well it's pretty much universally negative.

Last three me around 4E defenders thought a single YouTube video with 40k views mocking 3.5 helped sink 4E.

You are getting links because of the algorithms the service uses, I have no idea how widely disseminated it is. But to someone who has never used 3PP, it does not directly affect them. I've been playing pretty much since the inception of the game, I've never played in one with significant contribution from product sold by TSR or WOTC.

As far as 4E, it wasn't just a single video but beyond that I'm not getting into edition wars.
 


Mistwell

Crusty Old Meatwad (he/him)
Anyone who watches any YouTube D&D content can't really miss us.

Since they are effected as well it's pretty much universally negative.

Last three me around 4E defenders thought a single YouTube video with 40k views mocking 3.5 helped sink 4E.
I played last night with one of my two regular weekly groups. All players are well into D&D and have been for years. Half of them had not even heard about this issue. None would watch D&D youtube content. It's just not something they'd do.
 

dave2008

Legend
I played last night with one of my two regular weekly groups. All players are well into D&D and have been for years. Half of them had not even heard about this issue. None would watch D&D youtube content. It's just not something they'd do.
Yep, no one in my groups watches any D&D youtube content. If I didn't bring it up, they wouldn't know about it.
 

At one point Dragonlance and Spelljammer crossed and Spelljammer is selling better now.
I think it has to do with how well the Dragonlance delux kit is selling.
The Spelljammer set also is discounted more than the Dragonlance book. For an extra $5, you can go to a FLGS and get a much nicer cover for Dragonlance. Meanwhile the Spelljammer set is $30 cheaper than MSRP on Amazon.
 


darjr

I crit!
Zweihander has jumped too... I think. I'll have to dig up the old number.

At $65 at 61,386 out of all books on Amazon. Not super high no, but that's good.

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