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An Open Letter to Dragon and Dungeon Readers
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Like a few other people I am happy that the changes mean that I will have more money spare to spend on other things. Dragon I was only buying for the Eberron previews, Dungeon for the Polyhedron content (last published aventure I ever ran was 20 odd years ago), so it looks like I'll won't be buying anymore past the 30th Aniversary. The biggest let down for me is that it means there will be no follow up articles for Dark*Matter: Shades of Grey and that, for me, will take a long time to forgive ![:]](http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png "Devious :]")
I do understand that they are doing what they believe is best for the company and do honestly wish them all the best. I meet Keith many years ago at Gen Con UK, he is a great guy. I have many fond memories of drinking Cider and Black with him and a bunch of other WoTC staff into the early hours, less fond memories of the hangover the next day
I do understand that they are doing what they believe is best for the company and do honestly wish them all the best. I meet Keith many years ago at Gen Con UK, he is a great guy. I have many fond memories of drinking Cider and Black with him and a bunch of other WoTC staff into the early hours, less fond memories of the hangover the next day
Greybar
No Trouble at All
Right now I only subscribe to Dragon - I don't want pre-written modules. But Dungeoncraft and such articles are one of my primary draws to Dragon, and those are moving to Dungeon - which still looks to be 75% stuff I don't want. Dragon adding nonRPG stuff will largely be a dilution of stuff that I want to see - more pages to skip.
So my draw to buy Dragon is lowered, and my draw to buy Dungeon is still very weak.
Well, I guess I'll reassess when the subscription expires, but I'm not optimistic at this time.
john
So my draw to buy Dragon is lowered, and my draw to buy Dungeon is still very weak.
Well, I guess I'll reassess when the subscription expires, but I'm not optimistic at this time.
john
tassander
First Post
WOW!!!
That's just great news!
AWESOME!
Thumbs up to Paizo, Erik and Keith! These are going to be great improvements! That's exactly how I envisioned the magazines: Dragon as the crunch magazine, Dungeon as the fluff magazine!
You guys made my day! I dearly hope these changes will work for you! I'll keep buying your magazines, anyway! And I'll recommend them to my players, Dragon is the perfect player's magazine, now!
WOW!!!!
That's just great news!
AWESOME!
Thumbs up to Paizo, Erik and Keith! These are going to be great improvements! That's exactly how I envisioned the magazines: Dragon as the crunch magazine, Dungeon as the fluff magazine!
You guys made my day! I dearly hope these changes will work for you! I'll keep buying your magazines, anyway! And I'll recommend them to my players, Dragon is the perfect player's magazine, now!
WOW!!!!
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I'd have to disagree to a certain extent; the rules & "tone" changes brought about by 3E have changed the "flavor" of the setting IME. But that is an entirely different argument Olgar Shiverstone
Legend
Wow -- these changes sound great to me! I've always detested Poly, since I'm essentially a D&D-only player/DM. Paizo seems to be giving me exactly what I've wanted in Dungeon. Giving Dragon an entirely player-focus seems right, too (though I will worry that Dungeon can survive on just DMs).
Thanks, Paizo!
Thanks, Paizo!
Connorsrpg
Adventurer
A very big thankyou to Matt, Keith and Erik here!!!
I am one who has let my subscriptions to both slip over a year ago. I personally thought that some of the first 3e versions were some of the best I have seen. It was the inclusion of these 'other add ons/projects" that made me decide to let my subscriptions slide.
whilst I found many of the mini-games interesting to read, they provided no use at all to my dnd game (the reason i was buying Dragon & Dungeon mags). I, like many do not have the time to try all of these alternative games out - as good as some of them were. I too would like to see a space where they could live on (all those suggesting this - start something) but I was certainly not happy shelling out $16 dollars (In Australia here) for 1 adventure in the last Dungeon mag I bought.
Don't jump to too many conclusions; press releases are just that. They certainly cannot state EVERYTHING that each mag will have, but I agree with the change of focus. As far as all of the individual articles go - well let's face it, we have always had those we love and those we are not so fond of. There will be articles of advice and not just crunch...
Once again thanks guys, now I will need to try and sort out another subscription over here in Oz....
I too am keen on more info being on the website: especially unlabelled versions of player's maps or pics. Furthermore I too would like to put out a call for an appearance of the old Dungeoncraft articles so that we can access them easily. As a long time developer of MOCS Ray Winninger's articles were some of the best I have read in the pages of Dragon mag.
Keep up the good work guys...I must point out that each of these guys are a great help to anyone wishing to appear in these mags if you email them and I too appreciate your time here on these boards.
Connors
I am one who has let my subscriptions to both slip over a year ago. I personally thought that some of the first 3e versions were some of the best I have seen. It was the inclusion of these 'other add ons/projects" that made me decide to let my subscriptions slide.
whilst I found many of the mini-games interesting to read, they provided no use at all to my dnd game (the reason i was buying Dragon & Dungeon mags). I, like many do not have the time to try all of these alternative games out - as good as some of them were. I too would like to see a space where they could live on (all those suggesting this - start something) but I was certainly not happy shelling out $16 dollars (In Australia here) for 1 adventure in the last Dungeon mag I bought.
Don't jump to too many conclusions; press releases are just that. They certainly cannot state EVERYTHING that each mag will have, but I agree with the change of focus. As far as all of the individual articles go - well let's face it, we have always had those we love and those we are not so fond of. There will be articles of advice and not just crunch...
Once again thanks guys, now I will need to try and sort out another subscription over here in Oz....
I too am keen on more info being on the website: especially unlabelled versions of player's maps or pics. Furthermore I too would like to put out a call for an appearance of the old Dungeoncraft articles so that we can access them easily. As a long time developer of MOCS Ray Winninger's articles were some of the best I have read in the pages of Dragon mag.
Keep up the good work guys...I must point out that each of these guys are a great help to anyone wishing to appear in these mags if you email them and I too appreciate your time here on these boards.
Connors
cybermonkey
First Post
While I'm not too thrilled about the added computer game material (I just don't have the time to play computer or console games), I can fully respect and understand why Dragon may want to take this rout. There are 180 million people that play computer games and it's a $10 billion industry. I don't think table-top games are even close to those numbers.
I think that Paizo just wants to tap into that market. Heck, who's to blame them. If a video gamer picks up Dragon to get some information and is drawn into playing table-top RPGs, then article has done its job.
However... If anyone has read Dragon for more than 10 years, we all know the magazine continues to change its format. (I still miss the Ares section.) This shouldn't be surprising, and it's just another indicator of how a specialty magazine can survive being around for a few decades.
The article where I got those numbers:
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,63449,00.html
I think that Paizo just wants to tap into that market. Heck, who's to blame them. If a video gamer picks up Dragon to get some information and is drawn into playing table-top RPGs, then article has done its job.
However... If anyone has read Dragon for more than 10 years, we all know the magazine continues to change its format. (I still miss the Ares section.) This shouldn't be surprising, and it's just another indicator of how a specialty magazine can survive being around for a few decades.
The article where I got those numbers:
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,63449,00.html
Sketchpad
Explorer
I'm glad I saw this before I re-upped my Dungeon sub. The only reason I got the mag was for Poly and now, seeing it go the way of Star Wars Gamer, I'll focus my interest in other directions.
If I could offer a suggestion to the crew at Paizo? Remeber when Dragon had a section called Ares? It focused on the non-D&D material back in the day. How about a new magazine called Ares? As we've seen by pop media, everything old is new again, so why not Ares? You could have it focus on d20/OGL games like Star Wars, d20 Modern, Mutants & Masterminds, Forbidden Kingdoms, various Mini-Game Support, as well as support for FFG's Horizon line and other various products. I believe that it could support its own weight if it has monthly columns rooted in the popular games ... after all, isn't that what makes Dragon so popular?
If I could offer a suggestion to the crew at Paizo? Remeber when Dragon had a section called Ares? It focused on the non-D&D material back in the day. How about a new magazine called Ares? As we've seen by pop media, everything old is new again, so why not Ares? You could have it focus on d20/OGL games like Star Wars, d20 Modern, Mutants & Masterminds, Forbidden Kingdoms, various Mini-Game Support, as well as support for FFG's Horizon line and other various products. I believe that it could support its own weight if it has monthly columns rooted in the popular games ... after all, isn't that what makes Dragon so popular?
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