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anatomy question....

It might allow more fine manipulation with different types of grips. Like, if you're trying to reach into a tight spot to put a screw into a slot (no dirty minds, I'm thinking of furniture construction or the like), sometimes you have to either strain or switch to the opposite hand to get the right angle. Part of that strain is the lack of leverage and fine manipulation capability from that angle. With the thumb, you wouldn't have to switch hands.

My guess would be that tool usage would have ramped up considerably early on, since my understanding is that early development in tool using is a trial and error affair -- and there'd be fewer errors before a success if you had two different ways that were BOTH the right way to hold a tool. I don't know that we'd be any further along, but I suspect we'd have reached our current tech level a bit faster -- an accelerated development cycle very early in tech development, which then becomes more normal once the thumb is no longer the limiting factor (and things like material supply are).

If a double thumb actually helps the grip, evolving primates might not have left the "young clings to the mother/father" system, which would mean that modern man would have more hair.

People have brought up typing, but to extrapolate further back, I can imagine that with only 6 normal fingers and 4 thumbs, writing itself may have changed. For early cuneiform, the ideal structure might not have been flat tablets but cylinders that let the author write on both sides. Fast-forward a few thousand years, and modern keyboards might look like cylinders with keys all along the outside -- a lot of keys along the front, where the 6 fingers will type, and several important keys along the back, where the 4 thumbs type.

And factoring THAT in, writing would have been a ton more expensive to transport, until someone thought of having cylindrical pieces of wood or stone around which pieces of paper were fastened for early writing.

But I'm ranging pretty far afield. :)
 

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That's a great extrapolation! It's probably worth saving. Could you explain the cylindrical keyboard again? It lost me a bit.
 

takyris said:
People have brought up typing, but to extrapolate further back, I can imagine that with only 6 normal fingers and 4 thumbs, writing itself may have changed. For early cuneiform, the ideal structure might not have been flat tablets but cylinders that let the author write on both sides.

I don't expect hand configuration would lessen our desire to be able to see what we're writing. Now, if we had eyes on stalks too, so we could see both sides at once, you'd have a much different story.

But then, we'd be pretty darned ugly :(
 


Ferret said:
Are you calling Flumphs ugly?

Flumphs are the ugliest examples of bipedal humanoids ever. The catoblepas is a prettier example of a bipedal humanoid.

As examples of... whatever they are, I am sure flumphs are pretty as can be. Flumphs would be on the cover of "Weird-honkin' Critter in a Bathing Suit" magazine, and would win pageants designed for flumphoids.
 


Ferret, to explain it, I'd have to know what I was talking about. :) But I'd imagined, well... I've seen ergonomic keyboards that are actually split into two pieces along the "TGB -- YHN" divide. If you took those two pieces, turned them upright so that the keys faced out, and then pushed them until the two pieces were back-to-back, that would kinda be what I was thinking.

Umbran: Good point -- but how much of our "desire to see what we're writing" comes from only having one thumb, and thus having the limited range? If that blind guy can set records solving Rubik's cubes by Braille, noting that he can "see" all six sides of the cube at once, maybe the thumb placement would have given us something like that to work toward. It's possible (and again, this is free association more than logic at this point) that you'd end up with something like "strong side" and "weak side" cylindrical alignments, so that it's assumed that the writer was looking at one side and doing the other side by feel alone -- meaning that easier characters are written in that area.

Or maybe the only real result would be that it'd be a little easier for me to hold my Xbox controller...
 

In order to do this right though it requires more than an extra thumb. Our carpels are oriented in a particular fashion to give flexibility to the wrist based upon one thumb. So you need to reimagine the way the carpels are oriented, not to mention the metacarpels. Similarly, the way the radius and ulna connect to the humerus and to the carpels would have evolved in a very different fashion if two thumbs are present, perhaps a ball and socket joint would provide the flexibility, though it would weaken the joint. I would imagine more rotation of the wrist would give full use to both thumbs. Lastly, musculature. Our arms are dissimilar and the top and bottom, with suppinators and pronators on opposite sides. I think a hand with two thumbs, which by itself has bilateral symmetry would give rise to and require a more symmetric arm with proportionate skeletal and musculature on each side. Otherwise that extra thumb is an enormous drain of resources.
 

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