And the mystery race is...hated

[Doug McCrae]

I mean, can you imagine the dragonborne in the steriotypical d&d tavern?

You mean this?

 

[Doug McCrae]

And some still insist that this is still D&D. lol.

In 1974 OD&D, Gary Gygax suggests a balrog PC. I guess that's not D&D either.

 

[ThirdWizard]

In 1974 OD&D, Gary Gygax suggests a balrog PC. I guess that's not D&D either.

We all know Gary could replace humans with celstial gelatinous cubes in the PHB and nobody would complain it wasn't D&D.

 

[Derren]

There can be and there is. Check any MM, you can use just about anything there. They arent "Core" but you can use it. Making them more "Core" and commonplace is munchkin farming your target audience.

You still haven't explained why 4E dragonborn are munchkin material. As far as you know they could be one of the weaker PC races.

And there is no problem with non human looking races being commonplace in human cities. it all depends on the culture. Take Eberron for example. if given a choice people would rather hang out with orcs etc. than with elves.

 

[Baby Samurai]

You still haven't explained why 4E dragonborn are munchkin material. As far as you know they could be one of the weaker PC races.

Sunderstone is obviously trolling, so why not just let sleeping "I have a crippling inferiority complex but it manifests as a revolting superiority complex" people lie.

 

[Sunderstone]

As far as you know they could be one of the weaker PC races.

You may be right but its doubtful. Reptilian races tend to be on the strong side (at least physically).

And there is no problem with non human looking races being commonplace in human cities. it all depends on the culture. Take Eberron for example. if given a choice people would rather hang out with orcs etc. than with elves.

I agree with this point to an extent. BUT, Ebberon isnt Core and has its own "flavor". If they use Dragonborn/Tieflings as commonplace in a specific setting book, Im ok with it. Making them core is what I dont agree with. Core will make them overused, and we'll see them alot more in most upcoming 'Core" products.

 

[Doug McCrae]

Munchkinism personified.

What does a desire to look cool have to do with munchkinism?

Next you'll be saying the game's munchkin if its got stats for leather armour.

 

[Umbran]

Eh, blow it out your ass, soddy…

Anyone who thinks this is appropriate for these boards is sorely mistaken.

Three day vacation for you. Anyone else who cannot be civil can have the same. If this is somehow confusing, please e-mail one of the mods.

 

[Sunderstone]

Sunderstone is obviously trolling, so why not just let sleeping "I have a crippling inferiority complex but it manifests as a revolting superiority complex" people lie.

Im not trolling, Im expressing an opinion. Last I checked it was a forum. If you dont want any Anti-4E comments made, put a sticky at the top of this forum stating clearly "No Anti-4E comments permitted". That would keep things clear.

 

[SteveC]

Interestingly, in this poll, Dragon-race comes up as the 2nd most not most hated!

This is a really good point, and the first example I've seen of where the draconic races came up as something people were interested in (or, to be more precise, hated the second least).

So I'll ask again: did I just miss the bandwagon here and dragonfolk were part of some hugely popular request from people? Did Races of the Dragon sell a whole bunch of copies?

Wondering,

--Steve