D&D General (Anecdotal) conversations with Asian gamers on some problems they currently face in the D&D world of RPG gaming

[JEB]

also I'm tired of doing the heavy lifting as the only Asian person in this echo chamber.

As someone who didn't completely understand that specific objection, I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective. Sorry it was exhausting for you, though.

 

[Maxperson]

For example.

Unlike other formulations of the Golden Rule, this formulation is enforceable.

"Something that is hateful against you, you will not do to your partner."

To do something hateful is punishable.

Also, it involves partnership, a mutual agreement to look out for each other. Responsibilities to each other. Reciprocity.

This legal principle is legally practicable.

As such, it is a more robust foundation for legal human rights − that are enforceable. It is a more sophisticated formulation of human rights.

Freespeech is a social contract among speakers in a conversation. Reciprocity.

Do not do hatespeech.

Humanity has a legal basic human right to be free from hatespeech, including death threats.

And the government gets to decide what is hateful and punishable. Look at history and see how well that works out. We fought wars to free people from those kinds of governments.

 

[Haldrik]

Hate speech does not equal death threats or punches in the face. Nobody is advocating that deaths threats or physical violence be okay.

Death threats are strictly "speech". And. Illegal. Censorable. Punishable.

There is nothing "free" about death threats. Quite the opposite. Because death threats seek to silence a voice.

Freespeech is the opposite of hatespeech.

Hatespeech is harmful. It is good to censor hatespeech.

 

[Maxperson]

Death threats are strictly "speech". And. Illegal. Censorable. Punishable.

There is nothing "free" about death threats. Quite the opposite. Because death threats seek to silence a voice.

You keep making this False Equivalence as if it means something. It doesn't. Hate speech is not the same as a death threat.

 

[Haldrik]

And the government gets to decide what is hateful and punishable. Look at history and see how well that works out. We fought wars to free people from those kinds of governments.

American democracy was a social experiment. A successful one. It survives today because its laws for how to govern were carefully thought out. The Constitution is sophisticated.

For example, internet participants are now deciding what to allow and what to censor. In other words, government. It is an unavoidable necessity.

What we currently lack, is a sophisticated formulation of policy rules.

To eliminate hatespeech is the essence of the effort.

 

[Haldrik]

You keep making this False Equivalence as if it means something. It doesn't. Hate speech is not the same as a death threat.

Death threats are one kind of hateful speech.

Death threats harm the humanity of the target.

Death threats deny the target the right to speak. (Death threats deny the target the right to live.)

 

[Haldrik]

There is no magic to irresponsible free speech.

Defamation, whether spoken slander or written libel, is illegal.

There are many kinds of speech that are illegal.

All of them are examples of hatespeech.

Freespeech opposes hatespeech.

 

[Bedrockgames]

this conversations seems to be going very far from the matter of oriental adventures

 

[Mercurius]

this conversations seems to be going very far from the matter of oriental adventures

Its also making me hungry.

 

[Haldrik]

this conversations seems to be going very far from the matter of oriental adventures

Debates about freespeech and censorship are part of the controversy around the OA and WotC being pressured to remove it.

What principles should we take into account when deciding something is offensive and what to do about it?




Even some of your own posts have been moreorless about you asserting your right to freespeech to be as "gonzo" as you want, without caring if it offends other cultures. (I know you care to some degree, you worry about enough space to be playful and creative.)

At what point does "gonzo" become offensive "slander", for example?