Pathfinder 1E Any OGC substitute for the Quori and Daelkyr?

[VelvetViolet]

Are there any OGC substitutes for the Quori and Daelkyr?

If there aren't, that's okay. I was thinking about writing my own OGC substitute. Not a substitute for each, but combining the two ideas. The Quori are "evil outsiders from the plane of dreams" and the Daelkyr are "evil outsiders from the plane of madness." So I was thinking of combining the two to create "evil outsiders from the plane of dreams/madness who engineer biological horrors and seek to conquer the material plane."

 

[Kinak]

There aren't any direct equivalents, but Pathfinder does have the Qlippoth and a range of Lovecraftian beasties that can slot in easily enough. For the actual body horror stuff, the closest is probably fleshwarping.

It might be worth looking into the Dominion of the Black as well, although that's more of a story concept than anything mechanical.

Cheers!
Kinak

 

[gamerprinter]

Rite Publishing has the Coliseum Morpheuon which is set in the Dream Lands with several unique races, unique mechanics and many beings there. If you're looking for dream plane peoples this is a great place to look! Note the included adventure is very high level PF (15th - 20th+)

I, myself, wouldn't combine the races/concepts, however, if its better for your homebrew to do so, that's fine too.

 

[VelvetViolet]

There aren't any direct equivalents, but Pathfinder does have the Qlippoth and a range of Lovecraftian beasties that can slot in easily enough. For the actual body horror stuff, the closest is probably fleshwarping.

It might be worth looking into the Dominion of the Black as well, although that's more of a story concept than anything mechanical.

Cheers!
Kinak

The Qlippoth are the OGC substitute for Obyrinths rather than Far Realm/Xoriat aberrations, but I see your point. They don't fit the "evil conqueror" part as well as the Daelkyr, though.

Monte Cook's Legacy of the Dragon and Chaositech have living weapons/armor and fantasy bioware/wetware, respectively. Both are OGC, and his website on the Internet Archive has some web enhancements for the living weapons/armor. LotD even has the Vallorians, a race of "fleshsmiths" who live in the underdark and seek to conquer the surface.

Rite Publishing has the Coliseum Morpheuon which is set in the Dream Lands with several unique races, unique mechanics and many beings there. If you're looking for dream plane peoples this is a great place to look! Note the included adventure is very high level PF (15th - 20th+)

I, myself, wouldn't combine the races/concepts, however, if its better for your homebrew to do so, that's fine too.

It seems a bit redundant to have two races of evil outsiders that both represent insanity and that both want to conquer the material plane, on top of the dozens of other interchangeable evil extraplanar conquerors in the bestiaries. Combining them seems like a better use of space and allows them to better differentiate themselves from the other conquerors, as well as differentiating them further from the Quori and Daelkyr.

 

[gamerprinter]

It seems a bit redundant to have two races of evil outsiders that both represent insanity and that both want to conquer the material plane, on top of the dozens of other interchangeable evil extraplanar conquerors in the bestiaries. Combining them seems like a better use of space and allows them to better differentiate themselves from the other conquerors, as well as differentiating them further from the Quori and Daelkyr.

I hadn't realized both races were insane, one of them for sure. If both have insanity issues, than combining them makes sense. The races of Dream lands of Coliseum Morpheuon aren't necessarily insane. I was simply pointing out existing published dream beings you could use instead of using Quori. Then just converting Daelkyr to your "evil insane outsider" niche, with dream beings as something else.

 

[DEFCON 1]

It seems a bit redundant to have two races of evil outsiders that both represent insanity and that both want to conquer the material plane, on top of the dozens of other interchangeable evil extraplanar conquerors in the bestiaries. Combining them seems like a better use of space and allows them to better differentiate themselves from the other conquerors, as well as differentiating them further from the Quori and Daelkyr.

Well, the Quori are mainly used in Eberron in those games that will have kalashtar and psionics. If you don't plan on using either... you can easily ignore Quori as a force to be reckoned with.

That's really what the point was with all those big evils in the setting... offer up lots of different enemies and let each DM choose which ones he wants to use. The ones he doesn't you can just ignore. In fact, Eberron creator Keith Baker just talked about that in his latest Dragonmarks article on his blog:

How do you keep track of SO many factions?

Generally speaking, I don’t. In any particular campaign, I pick a certain number of factions I want to use, and I pick a few of the major villains. I don’t try to weave Vol, the Dreaming Dark, the Daelkyr, the Aurum, the Lord of Blades and half a dozen Overlords into a single coherent plot; instead I pick two or three that I will focus on, typically with one as the obvious initial threat, one as the hidden long-term threat, and one as the wild card, and focus on those. The others are around for me to sprinkle in for interesting one-shots, but I don’t try to make them all equal. Short form: Most of these forces are playing a waiting game. The Stars (or the Prophecy) need to be right for the Daelkyr to pose a threat. If I don’t want to use them, I simply assert that their stars won’t be right for another century; they simply aren’t going to be major players in this arc. This also addresses the question of why all these world-threatening forces aren’t stomping on each others’ toes; they simply don’t all have to be active right at this moment.

 

[Alzrius]

Dreamscarred Press - otherwise known as "that company that produces top-quality psionic material for 3.5 and Pathfinder" - came up with an OGC version of the quori, known as the qael.

You can find them for 3.5 in their book The Mind Unveiled.