D&D 4E Anyone make a Binder class for 4E?

[ziegander]

Required feats for ultimate Binder hotness:

Ritual Caster, Augmented Pacts, Vestige Versatility

Augmented Pacts would be the feat that allows you to gain Pact Augmentations. The Pact Augmentations will be tweaked to remove most of the attack/damage boosters, but to include Augments that allow you to keep powers of your original class when you bind.

Vestige Versatility allows you to keep your own class features when you are bound to a Vestige so long as you make a good pact.

I'd say that Augmented Pacts is a Heroic Tier feat and that Vestige Versatility is a Paragon Tier feat with slightly steep requirements.

 

[Cringer_luvr]

Guys this is simply awesome stuff.....keep it up, I like the feat Idea as well, and the option of a paragon path sounds cool as hell if we can work out the bumps you guys have mentioned, I look forward to this topic more each day!!

 

[Eldritch_Lord]

Required feats for ultimate Binder hotness:

Ritual Caster, Augmented Pacts, Vestige Versatility

Augmented Pacts would be the feat that allows you to gain Pact Augmentations. The Pact Augmentations will be tweaked to remove most of the attack/damage boosters, but to include Augments that allow you to keep powers of your original class when you bind.

Vestige Versatility allows you to keep your own class features when you are bound to a Vestige so long as you make a good pact.

I'd say that Augmented Pacts is a Heroic Tier feat and that Vestige Versatility is a Paragon Tier feat with slightly steep requirements.

So you don't want to keep the other 2 feats that let you keep your powers while binding a vestige? Or are we ditching the "replaces all powers" thing and making them replace (a) specific level(s) of powers like lordkiwi said?

 

[lordkiwi]

I think he wants to merge those feats into the pact augmentations, which makes sense.

We can always do both, so they have a minimum required power slot and you need a feat to avoid losing your over powers.

 

[ziegander]

Ye what Kiwi said

 

[Eldritch_Lord]

Ye what Kiwi said

Ah. I missed your note on the new power-keeping augments; my bad.

 

[ziegander]

Okay, so it seems like what we need now is to compile a list of what we've come up with at this point, see what we have, see if it all works properly and move on from there.

 

[generalhenry]

wikified

http://www.enworld.org/wiki/index.php?title=4E_Binder

(poorly wikified, but eh, it's a start)

 

[lordkiwi]

Something else I would suggest changing is the DC for the bindings. Use the chart on page 42 of the DMG and make it a Moderate check DC to bind and a Hard check DC to get a single Pact Augmentation (further augmentations are gained through feats). The results would be...

Vestige Lvl Bind Augment
1st–3rd      15   20 
4th–6th      17   21 
7th–9th      19   23 
10th–12th    21   25 
13th–15th    22   26 
16th–18th    24   28 
19th–21st    26   30 
22nd–24th    27   31 
25th–27th    28   32 
28th–30th    29   33

This is more in keeping with the amount skill bonuses will increase as you level. Also, if you have Feats for Augments, you probably don't want to give as many away on the skill check.

Lord Kiwi,

 

[generalhenry]

[crazy talk] the binding ritual as a skill challenge, the whole party working together [/crazy talk]