Anyone want to help adjudicate a Wish spell?

[Li Shenron]

I would allow them to come all back to life. Not technically resurrected tho, since they never died in the first place if the Wish is granted, and I'd probably come up with some penalties such as a Constitution drain to require more healing before continuing the adventure.

I like the idea of the Inevitables, but I'd rather use it only if they start using Wish this way on a regular basis (very unlikely however that the sorceress would spend 5000xp every time someone dies). Otherwise, a Marut should spring up also everytime someone uses Raise Dead or Resurrection or True Resurrection. Why penalyze the sorcerer over the cleric? At most, I'd tell them that I'm going to randomly roll a % chance of the Marut showing up, and such a chance would double next time the same trick is used.

BTW, if you absolutely want to respect the RAW of Wish, what about this:

"I wish I had a divine scroll with 3 True Resurrections", and then go find a cleric with Wis 19.

Create a magic item, or add to the powers of an existing magic item.

This use of Wish doesn't specify a gp limit like the previous one.

 

[BigAlzBub]

Remove the effects of the poison that killed the three PCs. It seems straightforward enough.


It's a simple, unselfish wish.


Don't screw your players on Wishes just because you can or they'll dread ever having to use what is supposed to be a useful spell.


Just undo the poison that killed them as if it never happened. They're alive, just as beaten and mangled as they had been, just without the effects of that poison. Don't send Maruts after them. Don't have Death show up to collect his six coppers. Don't do anything ridiculous like that. The caster isn't trying to become Superman, they're trying to reverse a tragedy and burning 5,000 xp to do so. Let it slide.

Amen! Its not like wish doesn't have a cost (5000 XP). Don't use wishes to screw over your players...its not big and it not clever.

 

[Tatsukun]

BTW, if you absolutely want to respect the RAW of Wish, what about this:

"I wish I had a divine scroll with 3 True Resurrections", and then go find a cleric with Wis 19.
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Why not just Raise Dead? Did I miss something? Why is everyone talking about True Res?

-Tatsu

 

[Li Shenron]

Why not just Raise Dead? Did I miss something? Why is everyone talking about True Res?

-Tatsu

No level loss perhaps?

 

[Shadowdweller]

Just undo the poison that killed them as if it never happened. They're alive, just as beaten and mangled as they had been, just without the effects of that poison. Don't send Maruts after them. Don't have Death show up to collect his six coppers. Don't do anything ridiculous like that. The caster isn't trying to become Superman, they're trying to reverse a tragedy and burning 5,000 xp to do so. Let it slide.

What he said.

If nothing else consider things from a playability standpoint. You WANT the players to have living characters, right? Don't deny them the satisfaction of having won the fight. Don't pervert sacrifices of that magnitude to PRE-EMPTIVELY prevent abuse.

 

[cmanos]

I do not allow wishes to alter the past.

A Wish can "duplicate the effect of any other spell of a restricted school of 5th level or lower." Raise Dead is level 5. You could use a wish to Raise Dead, but not ressurect.

You would have to use 3 wishes to bring back all the characters.

 

[Shellman]

IMO: I would grant the wish; however, I would return everyone to where they were exactly one turn before they party members failed the second save.

This would give them a brief chance to take actions like drink some anti-venom or cast a remove poison. It fulfills the wish, but doesn't necessarily remove the party from this particular deadly situation.

or

Allow the wish to resurrect the cleric (including the level loss) and that gives the cleric a chance to help raise the rest of the party members. But, this really isn't inline with the request given in the wish. You may want the sorcerer to be a bit more specific when casting the spell (i.e. is he looking to resurrect the rest of the party or give them a chance to make or avoid the second save).

As DM I would look at the wish spell this sorcerer cast (using the way he worded it) as he wants the dead party members to be given a chance to make or avoid the second save.

 

[apesamongus]

OK, I just re-read the wish spell, and I change my vote.
The text doesn't vaguely describe what undoing a recent event is, it specifically states what it is.

"• Undo misfortune. A wish can undo a single recent event. The wish forces a reroll of any roll made within the last round (including your last turn). Reality reshapes itself to accommodate the new result. For example, a wish could undo an opponent’s successful save, a foe’s successful critical hit (either the attack roll or the critical roll), a friend’s failed save, and so on. The reroll, however, may be as bad as or worse than the original roll. An unwilling target gets a Will save to negate the effect, and spell resistance (if any) applies."

So, it has to be within 1 round and it only allows a re-roll, not an automatic success. The only remaining question is whether you read "any roll made within the last round" to mean only a single roll or or whether "any roll" means you can pick and choose between all the rolls made within the last round. I'd probably go with the 1 roll reading.

 

[darthkilmor]

What a great idea...

(see my post upthread)

LoL, sorry , must have missed your post. Swear

Although I have to wonder, why do you think a Marut and not Quarut ? Quarut specifically says it goes after spellcasters that use Wish.

Or maybe send both? Or one Quarut for the Wish, and three Marut's for the three characters being raised. Don't Marut's usually hunt a single person anyway?(dont have my MM at work,sorry)

 

[darthkilmor]

So, it has to be within 1 round and it only allows a re-roll, not an automatic success. The only remaining question is whether you read "any roll made within the last round" to mean only a single roll or or whether "any roll" means you can pick and choose between all the rolls made within the last round. I'd probably go with the 1 roll reading.

I agree with the 1 roll reading.

So either way, undoing misfortune or raising three characters, he's asking for a single wish to do what three wishes would do.