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[unleashed]

Are you sure about this? It was in SBLOCKs, so I didn't read it, but Ghaele Eladrin have more than +2 LA. Much much more. In fact they have more than +10 LA (this is a rule that can be inferred by the fact that the MM wrote LA - for the Ghaele but not for the lower Eladrin--if you check the dragons, they write LA - for any monster whose LA would bring it above 20).

The Ghaele has a full 20 level progression in Savage Species (pg. 172) which comes out at 10 HD + 10 LA, but at 8th level they're 6 HD + 2 LA.

 

[Kelleris]

It's very very strong, but I wouldn't say overkill. Certainly by this level (if not sooner), enemies must learn that if they fail a save, they are pretty much screwed I mean, Nissa has the ability to drown at will (albeit it isn't a free action and requires a touch attack) on a failed save, though it isn't something she'll use much, I imagine.

I meant overkill more in the sense that I might be focusing on it overmuch. I'm not really sure how I could get to the point of doing anything useful in melee, but maybe I could reassign a feat to get better skills or something (although, unfortunately, most skill feats stink out loud for some reason). Or, I dunno, kick my Charisma down a notch and get better skills from a higher Int bonus or something.

Ergh, I should be writing background, not tweaking... I think I might have different sensibilities than Isida. "Concept" to me is a workable background and mechanics that play to a central theme and avoiding overt silliness like giving a dog a cloak ("giving a dog a cloak"? sounds like the beginning of a song). I don't have much experience with detailed backgrounds.

Heh, actually, I just realized that I still owe Isida Arion's background from the Scions game.

The Ghaele has a full 20 level progression in Savage Species (pg. 172) which comes out at 10 HD + 10 LA, but at 8th level they're 6 HD + 2 LA.

Yeah, that's what bothers me. Maybe in a full 1-20 campaign it's balanced (okay, I doubt that, but for the sake of argument), but in a PbP where we aren't likely to gain more than 2-3 levels (and that's being optimistic)...

 

[Rystil Arden]

I meant overkill more in the sense that I might be focusing on it overmuch. I'm not really sure how I could get to the point of doing anything useful in melee, but maybe I could reassign a feat to get better skills or something (although, unfortunately, most skill feats stink out loud for some reason).

Hmm...well not everyone must be useful in melee--though it would be great to have somebody that was, of course, to be a meat shield and such. Nissa's even less useful at damaging, if possible. But she has skills, a few spells, and she is surprisingly hard to hit.

 

[Rystil Arden]

The Ghaele has a full 20 level progression in Savage Species (pg. 172) which comes out at 10 HD + 10 LA, but at 8th level they're 6 HD + 2 LA.

Yup, I realised that when I looked at it. Looks like the Ghaele used to have lower LA back in the day and that the writer of the class was being very nice (when I write them, I try to distribute the LA and HD evenly)

 

[Kelleris]

Hmm...well not everyone must be useful in melee--though it would be great to have somebody that was, of course, to be a meat shield and such. Nissa's even less useful at damaging, if possible. But she has skills, a few spells, and she is surprisingly hard to hit.

An AC of 30 and constant displacement is pretty surprising at 8th level, yeah.

 

[Mad Hatter]

I hear grumblings about my LA -1 ninja. I figured the LA -1 wouldn't be bad because I'm getting a -2 to all my physical stats. And since I am a child, my damage is reduced. The only real damage is my sudden strike stuff. So I figure that I'm a threat in combat but not insanely so and can't compare to a real and true fighter. My biggest strength is out of combat I think.

What did you think of the background and fluff stuff and other non mechanics things, Rystil?

 

[unleashed]

Yup, I realised that when I looked at it. Looks like the Ghaele used to have lower LA back in the day and that the writer of the class was being very nice (when I write them, I try to distribute the LA and HD evenly)

Yeah, I try to distribute them evenly too. Of course by their own admission (MM pg. 7) the Level Adjustment line is only included in the entires of creatures suitable for use as a player character or as a cohort. Of course they should have included LA for everything, whether they considered it playable as a PC/cohort or not, seeing as they included the ELH in the SRD.

Anyway, back to trying to work something out for this game before the deadline runs out.

 

[Rystil Arden]

I hear grumblings about my LA -1 ninja. I figured the LA -1 wouldn't be bad because I'm getting a -2 to all my physical stats. And since I am a child, my damage is reduced. The only real damage is my sudden strike stuff. So I figure that I'm a threat in combat but not insanely so and can't compare to a real and true fighter. My biggest strength is out of combat I think.

What did you think of the background and fluff stuff and other non mechanics things, Rystil?

Actually, although I think LA -1 is not really fair in general, but it worked not too badly with your ninja. If you had been a spellcaster and used that to get more spells, it could have been scarier

The fluff looks cool. I've already been thinking about how I would play off your ninja with Nissa. I can't help but think she would be creeped out, and perhaps secretly a bit jealous of Lex's innate divination talent.

 

[Mad Hatter]

I really tried to be fair with the LA -1, so if you really and truly have strong objections I'd be willing to hammer it out.

 

[Rystil Arden]

An AC of 30 and constant displacement is pretty surprising at 8th level, yeah.

I did spend most of my money and points on AC, mind, but I feel terribly fragile when I'm missing nearly half of my HD due to LA. It's like being naked