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Arc lightning vs AC

BobTheNob

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Just to check I'm reading this right. Arc lightning sais you make an attack. So I look up make an attack and it sais that you make an attack roll and compare to AC.

Are they saying that armor can protect from certain spells? Especially this case. I can wear full plate and that protects from lightning? Just odd.

Happy to be corrected on this.
 

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Yup, that's how I read it. A little weird, but not necessarily a bad rule IMO--limiting or eliminating touch attacks speeds things up a bunch and makes balance easier, at the cost of being somewhat nonsensical at times.
 


I wonder why shocking grasp gives advantage vs metal armor, but arc lighting does not...
Possibly Wotc felt it made AL too strong, or maybe it was an oversight, this IS a playtest after all. Either way, I'd grant advantage to the caster shooting AL at someone wearing metal.
Yup, that's how I read it. A little weird, but not necessarily a bad rule IMO--limiting or eliminating touch attacks speeds things up a bunch and makes balance easier, at the cost of being somewhat nonsensical at times.
The DM's option to add advantage or disadvantage is there to reduce and mitigate so called 'nonsensical' situations.
 
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GMforPowergamers said:
I wonder why shocking grasp gives advantage vs metal armor, but arc lighting does not...

I'd hazard to guess that it's because the shocking grasp spell in early e's specifically had that note about metal armor in it, while arc lightning is from a more recent e, when that kind of stuff was handled with Reflex or somesuch.
 

Just to check I'm reading this right. Arc lightning sais you make an attack. So I look up make an attack and it sais that you make an attack roll and compare to AC.

Are they saying that armor can protect from certain spells? Especially this case. I can wear full plate and that protects from lightning? Just odd.

Happy to be corrected on this.

Have you ever seen Tesla coil shows or anything like that? The guys who actually go in and play with the lightning wear protective suits that are more or less lightweight chain.
 

Wouldn't wearing metal armor be like wearing a lightning rod? It's certainly a better conductor than human flesh and there is a clear route from the armor to the ground. But obviously magical lightning doesn't behave like normal electricity else it would jump to a nearby target that can easily have a charge induced in it, say the metal amulet around the caster's neck, or a dagger lying on the ground nearby.

Let's say the magic somehow controls and projects the electrical discharge in order to put it onto the target. In that case, the metal the target is wearing is going to be a very effective defense, the opposite electrical charge to that produced by the wizard can be induced in the metal armor far more easily than in the target.

Even if the wizard's magic is inducing the opposite charge in the target, the metal still presents a likely decoy. It's like trying to throw a magnet at someone on the other side of a metal pole. Even if the magnet is enchanted to be attracted to the person, the pole still presents a viable decoy.

I'm not going to claim with scientific certainty that I know metal armor would protect one from lightning, but I would like to know on what scientific grounds people are claiming metal armor makes you more vulnerable to electricity.

But I don't think electrical attacks in DnD work anything like electricity. They work more like beams or missile attacks. We're complaining that a spell doesn't follow a (possibly incorrect) notion that we hold about electromagnetism, but we don't mind the fact that it breaks every other law of electromagnetism out there.
 

I would love to see rules for types of damaage.

Lightinging attacks have advantage against tagets that are wet or in mostly metal armor.

Acid attacks have disadvantage against tagets that are wet or in mostly metal armor.



I imagin throwing arch lighting (or lighting bolt later) at a guy in chain hip deep in a swamp playing out better then throwing it at a bone dry target in leather..
 

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