Are people still mad about . . .

[Hunter In Darkness]

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[billd91]

I sincerely apologize.

Thanks, I do appreciate that.

And I think you're right that they didn't intend to offend anyone, but I think the reaction was fairly predictable and that's why I think they misread a segment of their market. And that's just a mistake, not and will to offend.

 

[evildmguy]

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Woo hoo! First prize ever for me here! Is that like an Ennie?

And, as the OP, I also apologize. I guess people are still mad about some things, as Umbran and others said. It wasn't my intention to "open old wounds" or to turn it into an edition war. I merely like reflecting on things and wasn't even thinking about within DND but things like the "Graduate Your Game" that were outside of DND.

I think the problem was asking about rants instead of making it a rave, as Monty did.

Live and learn.

edg

 

[M.L. Martin]

WotC keeps laying off its employees. Doesn't sound like a stunning success to me.

By that logic, 3E was a failure as well.

On topic, I must be the only person not mad about the cancellation of the magazines--I miss them as part of a legacy, but I never got into Dungeon and was getting kind of tired of the Greyhawk and demon obsessions by the end of Paizo's run on Dragon.

 

[gamerprinter]

By that logic, 3E was a failure as well.

Then what's that say about Paizo - they keep hiring people, many of whom were recently fired from WotC? Granted Paizo is small, but their development team is already bigger than WotC's - what's up with that?

GP

 

[Stoat]

On topic, I must be the only person not mad about the cancellation of the magazines--I miss them as part of a legacy, but I never got into Dungeon and was getting kind of tired of the Greyhawk and demon obsessions by the end of Paizo's run on Dragon.

I'm not mad about the end of the magazines either. I wish WotC did a better job with the online versions, and I was -- I guess sad, wistful, nostalgic, something like that -- when I learned that the magazines were going away, but I wasn't mad then, and I'm not mad now.

 

[Haffrung Helleyes]

wow

Does Paizo really have a bigger dev team assigned to Pathfinder than WoTC has for 4E? That would be...remarkable!

Ken

 

[Scribble]

Then what's that say about Paizo - they keep hiring people, many of whom were recently fired from WotC? Granted Paizo is small, but their development team is already bigger than WotC's - what's up with that?

GP

Could be a lot of things, the very easiest of which being Pathfinder is in it's early stages, and therefore needs lots of developers.

 

[renau1g]

Of course it's the interwebs so I can just as easily say that Paizo's team is half the size of WotC and unless I back it up with reliable sources it's just internet hearsay

 

[haakon1]

Backwards Compatibility/Edition conversion

Well, 2Ed was fairly compatible with 1Ed, for instance.

And as for 3Ed, while it wasn't perfectly compatible,

• WotC was kind enough to publish a 2Ed to 3Ed conversion manual that made conversion very easy
• The degree of incompatibility from 2Ed to 3Ed was MUCH less than from 3.X to 4Ed.

By way of example, I'm part of a group that has run a campaign since 1986 or so. We converted...well, really, alloyed 1Ed & 2Ed, and when 3Ed came out, we started converting to that.
. . .
There simply wasn't a PC we couldn't model in 3Ed out of the box. The only question was fine details.

But converting from 3.X to 4Ed? Not a chance!

Certain classes & races that were either core to D&D from the beginning or were part of the earliest supplements of 1Ed given were simply absent from 4Ed until much later. To convert would have required extensive retconning of the campaign because certain events couldn't have happened the way they actually did. Gone were the Druids & Barbarians, the Gnomes, most Planetouched and others. Gone were certain abilities- combat or non-combat- that were key to the campaign's history. Gone were PCs with more than 2 classes...especially those who weren't half-elves.

Nod. My current campaigns started in 1996 in AD&D. Converted to 3.0, then to 3.5

The only real complaints were one player who didn't like giving up percentile Strength, and the same player complaining about buying a new PHB for 3.5. Not a whole lot worse than leveling up, as I remember it.

Note that we never did convert to 2e, and I stopped playing at all in the height of 2e (from 1991-1996), before deciding to restart in AD&D (with just the original rules, not Unearthed Arcana, etc.).

I was not a fan of 2e because when it came out, my primary PC was a half-orc assassin -- both his race and his class were "banned" by the nanny-izing that happened for 2e. But I bought and used significant amounts of 2e material -- modules, Dungeon issues, historical resources, setting materials, etc. -- because "converting" them back to AD&D was doable, and that fluffy stuff was still interesting.

3.0 to 3.5 was the only "overnight" conversion we did, as a "no brainer", essentially.