Are Superhero films dying?

[Stalker0]

Monica Rambeau has never been a big name in comics, with her biggest contribution being wearing the Captain Marvel mantle during the original Secret Wars. I always liked her, so imagine my vibes when MCU forcefully introduces her character in Wandavision with 'Wanda randomly gives her the powers she's supposed to have, then she'll say 'they'll never know what you gave up' when talking to the supervillain that was keeping a whole town captive and just had to stop doing it'. How is anyone supposed to like her after that?

Yeah my roommate flat out refused to see the Marvels because of Rambeau, and I can understand. She was a terrible character in Wandavision when you actually look at what she said and did. She's fine in this movie but also quite forgettable as well.

 

[Zardnaar]

Let me think about this, comics included.

Captain Marvel has always just been there in the comics. She didn't really get people feeling one way or the other, until the comics made her actively fascist when they had their Civil War plotline. Being the first female-led Marvel movie, made certain sections of the Internet get really insecure, and that's the Brie Larson hate train that Youtube still tries to link people to. The movie is fine, but they made her so powerful that they have to keep her off the stage, and it didn't exactly make her lovable (and her very few Endgame scenes were shot before Captain Marvel, so she comes off even worse in them).

Ms Marvel is far and away the biggest success from when the comics tried to introduce many new teen characters at once (like three supergenius teen girls within one week, uhh). Their biggest fault was bogging her down with the 'let's replace mutants with inhumans' angle. It was amazing to see the show manage to capture the spirit of her books while doing its own thing... for two episodes, after which it forgot to be about her and just became an incoherent mess about nonsensical baddie bad guys.

Monica Rambeau has never been a big name in comics, with her biggest contribution being wearing the Captain Marvel mantle during the original Secret Wars. I always liked her, so imagine my vibes when MCU forcefully introduces her character in Wandavision with 'Wanda randomly gives her the powers she's supposed to have, then she'll say 'they'll never know what you gave up' when talking to the supervillain that was keeping a whole town captive and just had to stop doing it'. How is anyone supposed to like her after that?

So, yeah, while much of the active dislike of them is just the Internet automatically really hating having women in their movies, it's also not the strongest basis for a team-up, when the biggest character draw in it relies on people having watched a (very ethnic) teen show on Disney+...


I think Madame Web is the most obscure thing Sony could dig out of their Spider-Man And Related People folder. The backlash would be the same by itself - it's kind of a nonsense premise, and Sony's standards are firmly set somewhere around Morbius level.

I've heard about Madam Webb but the trailer looked OK to me. More interesting to me than say Thor Love and Thunder trailer.

Aquaman 2 is the next "big" sequel out. Piggy off to the slaughter house? I liked the first one. About 4-5 of the MCU movies were good the rest were OK IMHO.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

The Marvels is clearly no worse than any of many other generic Marvel sequels, such as Iron Man 2.

The thing is, the audience has changed, but the movies haven't.

 

[Zardnaar]

The Marvels is clearly no worse than any of many other generic Marvel sequels, such as Iron Man 2.

The thing is, the audience has changed, but the movies haven't.

Polite way of saying formulaic.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Though the question is "what is a super hero movie"? And really the only answer is "it's a movie with a comic book super hero in it".

Not really. You can have characters with special powers, daft costumes and silly codenames that have nothing to with comics (I believe there is a Six Billion Dollar Man remake somewhere around). And there are movies with comic book superheroes in that are not really superhero movies (Logan).

 

[Zardnaar]

Not really. You can have characters with special powers, daft costumes and silly codenames that have nothing to with comics (I believe there is a Six Billion Dollar Man remake somewhere around). And there are movies with comic book superheroes in that are not really superhero movies (Logan).

Watched the first Ironman trailer. Half if it is more like 80s action movie. Second half more techno thriller.

Batman on steroids kinda.

Don't mind blade, batman, Ironman but things like gods, magic, multiverses don't do to much for me.

 

[Clint_L]

Not really. You can have characters with special powers, daft costumes and silly codenames that have nothing to with comics (I believe there is a Six Billion Dollar Man remake somewhere around). And there are movies with comic book superheroes in that are not really superhero movies (Logan).

Logan's the best western of the past decade! Note that this applies to other genre, as well; you can make a case that Star Wars is the best Western of the 1970s.

 

[Thourne]

Logan's the best western of the past decade! Note that this applies to other genre, as well; you can make a case that Star Wars is the best Western of the 1970s.

I will give you maybe #2 on SW, but Blazing Saddles came out in the 70s.
Just saying

 

[bloodtide]

Not really. You can have characters with special powers, daft costumes and silly codenames that have nothing to with comics (I believe there is a Six Billion Dollar Man remake somewhere around). And there are movies with comic book superheroes in that are not really superhero movies (Logan).

But that is the question.

I can make a Night Man movie about a rich guy who dresses up in a 'night' costume to fight crime as a detective ninja demigod. I can have a villain with a dumb plan and a damsel in a dress. And have Night Man do beyond dumb ninja moves where he jumps in the air and "flying kicks" like 20 minions.

But that would not be a "super hero" movie....as I just made up Night Man. And Night Man is not a "super hero".

But just change "Night Man" to ("The") "Bat Man" and make the exact same movie....and now that is a "super hero" movie.

Bond and Borne are just normal movies......but John Wick is a super hero movie....right?

Is Joker a super hero movie? Deadpool?

 

[Tonguez]

But that is the question.

I can make a Night Man movie about a rich guy who dresses up in a 'night' costume to fight crime as a detective ninja demigod. I can have a villain with a dumb plan and a damsel in a dress. And have Night Man do beyond dumb ninja moves where he jumps in the air and "flying kicks" like 20 minions.

But that would not be a "super hero" movie....as I just made up Night Man. And Night Man is not a "super hero".

But just change "Night Man" to ("The") "Bat Man" and make the exact same movie....and now that is a "super hero" movie.

Bond and Borne are just normal movies......but John Wick is a super hero movie....right?

Is Joker a super hero movie? Deadpool?

You just described Darkman - Raimi’s homage to the Shadow and definitely a non-comic superhero