Are we gamers an ungrateful lot?

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Chaos Disciple said:
Personally I feel a little disturbed that a publisher feels like they should charge a lot for a pdf. As far as I can tell a pdf. holds no market value because they can be replicated and distributed with very little or no effeort or resources. In my opinion this infinite supply is a problem and basically makes them worthless.

Personally, I feel disturbed by your assertion that the only reason you buy RPG products is for the paper and the ink, but not the ideas and the mechanics.

You may be interested to know that there are much cheaper ways to buy ink and paper. Frequently the ink and paper will be in a much more versatile form when you do so.

Justin Alexander
http://www.thealexandrian.net
 

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Dire Bare said:
Actually, this practice is quite common with ISP's, satellite TV providers, cell phone companies, just about anybody who sells you a monthly plan for some sort of service. And believe it or not, it's a GOOD policy for the company (and often the consumer) and helps protect against liability.

What practice do you mean? The practice of not automatically improving a rate or not even telling people that they could have a better deal, or the practice of first intimidating people by being condescending, then, when they cancel the service, brownnosing them, and when they won't return, harassing them for weeks?

I don't particularly like the first, but can live with it. The latter will make me a non-customer every time.

When service companies change their plans, sometimes the prices go up, sometimes they go down. Sometimes, regardless of price, details change in small ways, sometimes in large ways, and sometimes not at all. And for a company to change your plan without your own prompting, because they think you MIGHT find it a better deal would be just opening huge can of worms and possibly open them to legal action.

Sure, I don't disagree with that. And I understood why they didn't automatically changed it once the suck-up representative told me there was a different time period involved in the contract (something that the condescending guy could have told me in a friendly tone, and everything would be fine, I'd probably still be with that company)

And, like several of the above posters, having been the customer service rep on this same conversation, you'd be surprised how many people get pissed off if you do actually change them to a better plan . . . . same details, better price, but different name perhaps.

Did you treat customers condescendingly as a rule? Or harass them when they cancelled your service because they did?

I always used to laugh when customers told me essentially the same thing you told your ISP. It usually boiled down to this, "I'm pissed you follow the same practice as the entire industry, and I'm going to switch to one of your competitor's who follows the exact same policy!!! So there!"

I didn't say that, though. Read my post. I said "you not only not lowered the price, the guy who told me you don't do that sort of thing was the rudest person I talked to all week, so I'll go to one of your competitors who knows how to talk to their customers."

Besides, why SHOULD a company lower your price, "just because"? It'd be nice, sure, but not doing so constitutes poor service? Maybe I've spent too long in customer service . . . .

Doing so would constitute great service. And I've seen it. There are mobile phone service providers that automatically change you to their best pay scale - in retrospect. So if you had only a couple of calls, you'll get the one with the low base cost but high cost-per-second, but if you had lots of calls, you'll get the low cost-per-second (or even the flat-rate).

Adequate service would be telling me why they can't just change to a better offer, but telling me that something I probably would call a better offer (and outlining what changes for the worse) is available.

Poor service is when the people in customer service are rude and harass you.

That particular company is known for lousy customer service. Their usual policy is first hoping people would not know about any better offers (they used to be the only phone provider before the official monopoly was turned into a virtual monopoly), and when complaints arise, first intimidate people into dropping it, and only going into brownnose mode when customers threaten to cancel - and if they do cancel, keep calling them about how better their service is than that the competition is and that people really should change again.
 



Edena_of_Neith said:
I think we should show respect to people like Monte Cook, Erik Mona, and all the others who work and have worked to produce the game.

Monte Cook? He's a hack and I never liked his work! ;) :p
 


I work in retail. I can tell you definitely that it isn't just gamers.
 

I have received more complaints about free products than I ever have about products I charge for.

I'm not sure why that is.

And oh yeah, I used to work at Target. It isn't just gamers by a long shot.

Still, free stuff seems to get singled out for special levels of vitriol by some people.
 

I must admit, I would write a polite email, too: "I want the free product, too, but the servers were jammed. Can you help me out?"

I often get the "tough noogie" response.

Yes, I worked technical support before. Some of those customers were never happy (some of which I grew tired of dealing with, so I sent them to my supervisor).
 

JustinA said:
Personally, I feel disturbed by your assertion that the only reason you buy RPG products is for the paper and the ink, but not the ideas and the mechanics.

You may be interested to know that there are much cheaper ways to buy ink and paper. Frequently the ink and paper will be in a much more versatile form when you do so.

Justin Alexander
http://www.thealexandrian.net



I support both Digital and Paper for differnt reasons

Paper- Books are actual products which are worth buying based on quality of content and materials its made from. I would like to see hemp paper used because the books would last alot longer.

Copyrighted material should be kept in books or at least a format thats semi-difficult to reproduce and distribute. But then some jokers invented a computer, scanner, and the internet. So now copyrights on anything that can be put into digital format is pretty much pointless.


Digital Media- is worthless as a marketable product becuse it has no physical substance and you are basically paying for nothing Especially when u have to use your own paper.

Ideas and game mechanics belong on digital media because they have always been free and digital is great for getting stuff like that to the public
 
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