Are you a 3.5e grognard? Post here!

SHARK said:
Greetings!

Well, I certainly hope they provide some thorough conversion notes, so that if customers--oh, yeah, all those loyal, devoted customers that invested thousands of dollars in 3.5E books--can not only use 4E, but also still maintain some of the solid value in the 3.5E books they have purchased. I really do.

Of course, what's also galling about this, is that I have some books--like Monster Manual V, DMG II, PHB II, the Drow book, that have not really been used fully. Let alone exhausted of ideas or thier value. To think that they--oh, and hell, Monster Manual IV was not put out that long ago either--would just be made mechanically useless, because of a total incompatibilty--is very frustrating.

Of course, unlike with the edition change from 2.0 to 3.0, when a huge amount of people were ready for a change--many people just might become 3.5E Grognards. It seems there is a huge amount of people that feel that 3.5E is not nearly so broken that it requires a whole new edition, and a whole new rinse and repeat outlay of $5,000 dollars of books--many of which you just bought in the last year or so, and the shiny new sheen on the covers haven't even been so much as smudged hardly with a finger-print, let alone been deeply played and utilized.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark, you and I didn't agree much on that other thread, but I fully agree with you on this as evidenced in my post earlier in the thread. I have too much money invested in v.3.5 just to ditch if for a shinier, new product. I may eventually purchase their stuff and may even allow one of my players to run a 4E game in my home every other week on a day that doesn't interfere with my v.3.5 game. For now, though, I have too many plans for games I want to run that are firmly entrenched in the v.3.5 rules set.
 

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Greetings!

*SHARK lights up a Arturo Fuente Canone cigar...puffing slowly, watching the cherry light up, and a nice, even smoke...outstanding cigar, gentlemen!*

It's good to see you all! *Waves to Psion!* :) Have a drink my friends! Have to celebrate our grognard status! :)

I'm not sure about the changes to the game, either. Like Psion said, yeah, some of 'em sound cool--but others? Eff. They sound like they might be doing exactly what Psion says--stripping out some of the key elements that make D&D a great game! I'm cautious, to be sure.

I saw someone else I think review their collection....hundreds of books and modules for 3.5E. I haven't tabulated the exact price, but I could comfortably say I have spent something like $5,000 dollars on 3.5E. I have everything WOTC has produced, except for a few adventurers and the Monster Manual V. Not to mention many things from a half dozen other D20 publishers. So many books, so many options, so many possibilities that I haven't even explored yet!!!!

And you know what? I'll address something else that just boggles me. The whole pathetic argument about:

"Well, there's no one coming to take your stuff away!" or

"Well, it isn't like your 3.5E collection just goes *poof* and burns up! What's your problem? What are you all whining about?"

Gee, BRICK. Why is this such a hard concept to understand? (Must be too much playing WOW has rotted their effing minds and turned it to jello.) It's like this:

A new edition that is mechanically NON-COMPATIBLE with my 3.5E library means that my players are playing 4E, and not 3.5E. (Cause players like to play what's current, new, and popular) for example.

Now, as a DM, I can't very well REFERENCE all that CRUNCH and RULES from DOZENS of 3.5E Books, now can I? (Because they NO LONGER APPLY IN THE NEW EDITION!!!!)

Thus, *SNAP*--unless your whole group is resolved to play 3.5E--your whole effing collection of 3.5E books--aside from more campaign element and story pieces--is OBSELETE and useless. It doesn't apply anymore, and forget about converting and blah blah blah. Like how many of us has the time to re-engineer and figure out how 50 different 3.5E books can still somehow be at least 75% usable in 4E????? DUH!!!!

Why is this so hard to understand? YES, in many practical ways, the vast majority of a library of 3.5E books becomes obselete and useless. That's just reality. How many of you still use 2E rulebooks for reference/module building/creatures and so on? If your like me, next to ZERO. I use a few of the books for theme generation and inspiration, but honestly? It's like using less than 5% of the whole. Simple. Because 2E has been made obselete. I still use 1E AD&D DM's Guide...for inspiration and thought-jogging, but damn, c'mon guys...that's cause it's just a bad-ass classic that rocks! But you still don't use it mechanically, rules wise. Thus, it's gone and useless in that larger context.

The same thing will ultimately happen to 3.5E as well. THAT'S HOW IT BECOMES OBSELETE.

Ok, done with that little rant. Do you guys see what I'm saying? Some people ask these kinds of BRICK questions over and over and repeat themselves like we are just drooling idiots or something. It isn't difficult to understand how your investment in 3.5E becomes obselete, and generally useless, if you are not playing 3.5E, but trying or thinking about transitioning to 4E. Unfortunately, in addition to buying all new books--in many ways, of course--covering the same topics and material that books YOU JUST MAY HAVE BOUGHT--your older collection of stuff is now largely unusable, and obselete.

Sadly, that seems to be the price of admission into 4E.

Carry on, my friends!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 

+5 Keyboard! said:
Shark, you and I didn't agree much on that other thread, but I fully agree with you on this as evidenced in my post earlier in the thread. I have too much money invested in v.3.5 just to ditch if for a shinier, new product. I may eventually purchase their stuff and may even allow one of my players to run a 4E game in my home every other week on a day that doesn't interfere with my v.3.5 game. For now, though, I have too many plans for games I want to run that are firmly entrenched in the v.3.5 rules set.

Greetings!

+5 Keyboard!!!!! :) Thank you, sir. Preach on brother!!! Preach ON!!! It's just really grinding and unsettling thinking about not merely the expense of a new edition, but the discarding and uselessness of the whole 3.5E library. (SHARK looks at his library....a vast collection to say the least). It's very, very frustrating!!! :D

My apolgies to you for coming off bristly or arrogant in the other thread. Such was not my intention. Would you enjoy a fine cigar and a good ale with me?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
 

SHARK said:
Greetings!

+5 Keyboard!!!!! :) Thank you, sir. Preach on brother!!! Preach ON!!! It's just really grinding and unsettling thinking about not merely the expense of a new edition, but the discarding and uselessness of the whole 3.5E library. (SHARK looks at his library....a vast collection to say the least). It's very, very frustrating!!! :D

My apolgies to you for coming off bristly or arrogant in the other thread. Such was not my intention. Would you enjoy a fine cigar and a good ale with me?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

But, of course! :)
 

haakon1 said:
Yup, but I just got married too, so it may just be time to hang out my dice bag and call it a day.
Just do what I did. Get your wife to play too. It was actually pretty easy.

haakon1 said:
Someday, I'll surely try out 4e, but I don't think I'll like it much.
So long as you keep an open mind. ;)
 


Raven Crowking said:
My houserules for 3e aren't even done yet.....

.......Not a chance of my buying 4e right now. And, if it's not OGL compliant, not a chance of my buying it ever.


RC

4E will be OGL. If anything, some people (like Erik Mona) have reported that there are clues the 4E OGL would be actually more permissive than 3E's (I read this on paizo.com's message boards).
 


Take a look on what one of the kids from WOTC boards just made.

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LOL. These kids nowadays....
 

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