At what Cover Price do you Drop?

I recall Gaming Frontiers Magazine that went for $20 and tried to cover all of d20. It died. No point, just saying.

As to Dragon. I'd be willing to pay up to $10. Beyond that we are in module country, not magazine country, IMO.

That $10 is, however, conditional:

1) Must have regular Greyhawk or pseudo-Greyhawk content (Demonomicon etc.); no Hawk and I fly;

2) Content must be sufficiently substantial to approach "mini-sourcebook" status, although such need not all be in the same issue. Example, the Dagon article works extremely well with the Livre Aquatha article and the Ecology of the Kraken article, those from about a year before Dagon. Example, the Far Realms mega article.

3) Articles that look to "do it all" must continue - articles that provide simultaneously fluff, PrCs, monsters, spells, maps etc. (but not necessarily everything in every article). The Demonomicon articles do a good job of this, as did the Far Realms article. I have no interest in narrow, niche articles - 10 new thiefly/gnomishetc. magic items! BLEH!

General advice:

1) The days when Dragon can offer a grab bag of this and that every issue are long gone. There are too many other sources for such. Dragon needs to do whatever it does extremely well and in a way that cannot be easily duplicated for free on the web. Coordinated content. In depth content. Content that expands on the canon of Wotc IP (with cool maps!). These are things D&D fans have only rarely been able to produce and/or distribute/get on the web for free. Dragon needs to go where the fans cannot otherwise easily go themselves via the web.

2) The First Watch, especially the expanded video game advert/articles, are the wrong way to go, as there are many other and more focused specialist sources.

3) Reviews are the wrong way to go (in case you think otherwise) as EN World and other sites have taken over the review function (better as the reviews are by multiple fans and not disguised puff pieces).

4) Small, collection of stuff articles need to be used with extreme caution as levening or filler around the more in depth articles, coordinated, completist articles. Class Acts, while greatly improved, needs to go. No regular "collection of stuff" articles unless such are coordinated with other content (which again need not be in the same issue always)

5) Mosty importantly, Dragon needs to redevelop a sense of community. Dungeon has done this with the APs. People talk about the APs consistently and thus Dungeon. Dragon needs to enter the conversation as regularly and not just as the place for Dungeon's AP overflow. How to do this? I think the foregoing is a start but I think ultimately it is catching lightening in a bottle.

YMMV
 

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I used to subscribe to Dragon but when the European distributor went belly up a few years ago that put pay to that.

I still buy the ocassional issue but at around £7 it has to contain something I already know is of critical interest (I can get it cheaper by mail order but then you add the p&p and suddenly not so cheap!) and I rarely see more than one article per issue that's of general interest.

Then there's the fact that many WotC books, for example, at Amazon.co.uk are only around £14. So for the price of two issues of Dragon I can buy a hardback book. Although you have to be quite discriminating with WotC books . . . but they still represent better value IMHO.
 

I subscribe to both magazines.
Right now I feel I am getting more value from Dungeon than Dragon. Why, I am not sure but that is the feeling I have.
Does that mean I will not reup my Dragon subscription? I don't know. Financially I shouldn't but I really like it.
 

If it is at all possible, I would like to contact Mike McArtor, James Jacobs, or Joshua Frost on a related, but off topic matter. If they could contact me at my email address, I would appreciate it. That address is curmudgeon dot gamer at gmail dot com. Thanks!
 

Vyvyan Basterd said:
I used to subscribe to Dragon, but its just too much. Information overload. Even with a proper index it would be too much to digest. So I let my subscription lapse. Whenever I think about starting it up again I look at the big stack of them in my gaming room and realize how little of the information there was ever used in my games.

I sympathize. I am a current subscriber, but I've been an on again / off again subscriber. I see no reason to quit currently though.

For me I ran into your information overload in the middle 90s. I had stacks and stacks of Dungeons and Dragons, but I wasn't using any at that moment because I didn't have a group to game with....what is the point of having all that material if I was just collecting it? So I canceled (and I regret it now.)

Then years later I got the Dragon Magazine Archive CDs. Just the index alone was worth it. All those articles I had kept in my head were now at the click of a button. Still there was no need for my paper stack with the pdfs on CDs....

With my current subscription the internet is my index. It isn't the best and certainly not as good as the CD archive, but it helps me find those missing articles I need....and then my hunt for the physical issue begins. The information overload is not an issue any more as I just reference what I need for my current game....

read for fun and research for the game.

I still find it is a good idea to skim each issue even if there is nothing that jumps out at me. I never know when I might need something for a game and plus it is a good idea to know the trends in the industry.
 

Whether I actually use the material or not, it is good reading material. Both magazines are an incredible value, especially at the subsription prices. I've been a subscriber for a few years now, and am about to renew.

What I don't get is how nit-picky people are over a magazine. These days it seems if one or two pages (Wil Save, Downer, video game reviews) fail to be the height of perfection and utility, people feel they must register their displeasure. There are things I don't get a lot out of, but the good still far outweighs the bad. And the bad is only "bad" in the sense that it does not strike my fancy.
 

Erekose said:
I used to subscribe to Dragon but when the European distributor went belly up a few years ago that put pay to that.

I still buy the ocassional issue but at around £7 it has to contain something I already know is of critical interest (I can get it cheaper by mail order but then you add the p&p and suddenly not so cheap!) and I rarely see more than one article per issue that's of general interest.

I also used to subscribe but now just buy at Orc's Nest. You're being ripped off at £7 - both Dragon and Dungeon cost £4.99 there. I nearly stopped buying Dragon because I often didn't read much of it, but then Erik Mona became editor. I think both magazines are better now than they've ever been before. Having said that, I think Class Acts is pretty weak and should probably be replaced by something more meaty.

Cheers


Richard
 


Dragon?
Currently, I pick up the odd issue if it has content that interests me (such as "The Demonomicon" and the Core Gods articles.)

If the price goes above the mark it's at now, I'd have to sreiously evaluate each issue, see how much I really need/want the information inside.
 

I'm not really sure why I still subscribe. My general policy was that if even half the issues were useful, it was worth subscribing, but now it's more about never getting to the stand to buy them, so subscribing is easier. The Adventure Path is a neat idea, but the current one doesn't interest me at all, which translates into quite a bit of wasted space for me.

Basically, I figure I'll subscribe so I don't have to worry about missing an issue I'll actually like, but at some point that becomes pointless. I've bought stuff via ad's before, but nothing so remarkable that it improved gameplay. I've enjoyed articles, but nothing so great that I need it.

My Dungeon Apathy began around the AoW Overload issue, having to constantly defend against fans when I'd ask for the overview that was promised, it wore me out on the magazines. Now I see a lot of that same attitude in regards to the magazines, and I think the quality has sort of stagnated. Too much of the stuff is regarded as "we're on the right path", to the point that it's not really original.

Current issue of Dragon was pretty bad for me. The artwork looked subpar for the most part, the articles were bland also. I loved Zuggtmoy, but Dagon? I already got the KuoToa=Deep One link, and the article didn't really do anything to expand it in useful ways for me.

Either way, I don't judge the magazine by one issue, but if I look back when subscription is due and can't remember the useful material, I'll probably let it drop this time.
 

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