Augment Summoning

[Christian]

Eh......Heros of Horror......

How does impoved con help Summon Undead I-IV? Wouldn't giving a con bonus to summoned undead make them.......ah...ummm........nonundead on arrival?

I dunno. Can you change an undead to a living creature by casting Bear's Endurance on it?

OK, non-smartass version: Having no Con score is not the same as having a 0 Con score. Adding 4 to a score of 0 gives you a temporary score of 4. Adding 4 to a nonexistent attribute does nothing. Likewise, Fox's Cunning doesn't do anything to non-intelligent creatures, etc.

 

[Corsair]

It would still make them stronger though.

 

[the Jester]

Having no Con score is not the same as having a 0 Con score. Adding 4 to a score of 0 gives you a temporary score of 4. Adding 4 to a nonexistent attribute does nothing. Likewise, Fox's Cunning doesn't do anything to non-intelligent creatures, etc.

Well, up until I got Dungeonscape yesterday I'd have agreed with you... but the sentry ooze template seems to indicate that adding a +2 to an int of - gives you an int of 2...

 

[Salthorae]

Well, up until I got Dungeonscape yesterday I'd have agreed with you... but the sentry ooze template seems to indicate that adding a +2 to an int of - gives you an int of 2...

Oh goodness, what a can of worms that will be... sigh

As far as Summon Undead spells go though, if you're using lots of those, you'd be better off taking the Corpsecrafter feat from Libris Mortis which allows any undead you raise/create with ANY necro spell (not summoning I know, but...) to have +4 Str and +2 hp/HD (LM p.25)

 

[Hypersmurf]

Well, up until I got Dungeonscape yesterday I'd have agreed with you... but the sentry ooze template seems to indicate that adding a +2 to an int of - gives you an int of 2...

Heh. So an Augmented Zombie goes from having no Con modifier, to having -3 hit points per hit die?

-Hyp.