Author (and artist) of The Book of Erotic Fantasy

[Taren Nighteyes]

This is a false dilemma. I would not want my children doing either of them.

Call me a puritan, but is a book on erotic sex going to contribute to D&D? Are gamers so unimaginative or lacking in experience that we need to learn from a book how to do it?

The D&D stereotype says gamers lack social skills and have difficulty interacting with other people. This book only confirms that type. Rules for adding erotica? Please.

What's next, D20 rules for a hosting a dinner party?

ummm....if you would believe the stereo-types, the answer is yes - need instruction booklet

GAMERS ARE SOCIAL RETARDS!

Taren Nighteyes

 

[MerakSpielman]

This is a false dilemma. I would not want my children doing either of them.

Not really a false dilemma. I imagine my kids growing up and doing one. Then I imagine them growing up and doing the other. Envisioning them with guns bothers me more. Try it. Which vision bothers you more?

Call me a puritan, but is a book on erotic sex going to contribute to D&D? Are gamers so unimaginative or lacking in experience that we need to learn from a book how to do it?

Clearly you are not the target audience for this product. You are under no obligation to purchase it.

The D&D stereotype says gamers lack social skills and have difficulty interacting with other people. This book only confirms that type. Rules for adding erotica? Please.

Just how many minds do you think it's going to change? Nobody outside of the RPG community is even likely to hear of it, or if they do, they won't really remember it a few months later. Even better, they could make a REAL uproar! D&D would take off again, as soon as it started to get a bit taboo again.

What's next, D20 rules for a hosting a dinner party?

D20 Guide to Party Etiquette. Interesting. Does the paladin lie and compliment the bad wine, just to be polite? I might take a look at it.

 

[mythusmage]

What's next, D20 rules for a hosting a dinner party?

Martha Stewart d20!

Today, Halloween decorating tips for the lich in your life.

 

[Harlock]

Not really a false dilemma. I imagine my kids growing up and doing one. Then I imagine them growing up and doing the other. Envisioning them with guns bothers me more. Try it. Which vision bothers you more?

That's an interesting excercise and based on how you presented it you expect most people would have the same feelings. I for one am much more comfortable envisioning my child with a gun than having sex. He's three, that may be part of it. Also, it depends on the type of sex one imagines. Is it consentual between two adults? Is it in the bonds of marrigae, or even sealing in a Temple? Some people look at sex and say icky. Some people look at guns and say icky. I look at guns and say, "Oh, a tool." It can be used to harm others, but it can also be used to sustain life through hunting, defend, or just for the simple pleasure of target practice in a competitive or non-competitive environment. I can see a gun being less destructive than sex in a lot of ways. I can see sex being more pleasurable than sport shooting in a lot of ways. However, it doesn't work that way for everyone. I think your invitation to "try it" overlooked environmental, social and personal biases and maybe wasn't a great example.

 

[MerakSpielman]

Indeed, Harlock, and thanks for pointing it out. Both sex and firearms can be used in both appropriate and inapproprate ways.

I was envisioning worst-case scenarios for both of them. I.e., sex that results in both a STD and an unwanted pregnancy, and gun use that involves the accidental death of an innocent friend.

Oh, and I have to use my imagination too. My son's only 16 months old.

I might also add, Harlock, that your posts are some of the more intelligent and well written ones in the debate. Keep it up!

 

[Kestrel]

I have no use for the book myself, but I will defend the right to publish it. I have no desire to roleplay sex with the guys that I play games with. I'll do that kind of roleplaying with my fiance

Also want to throw out some applause to Merak. I've never seen someone so tolerant and stable-minded on a message board

Bravo!

 

[d20Dwarf]

Excuse me? I said no such thing, and I rather resent you putting words in my mouth.

I said that if your kid gets into your porn, you should take the opportunity to explain some of the facts of life, lest they start making things up on their own. Likewise, if your four year old somehow ends up seeing an absurdly violent TV show or movie, it should be taken as an opportunity to explain about what violence is and that TV isn't real.

In summary, whatever your child is exposed to, you should be there as a parent to keep them from misunderstanding what is going on.

Sorry if I misrepresented you. I shouldn't have perpetuated the comments in the first place, since this isn't the place to discuss such things. I will say, however, that responsible parents will not have porn in a house with children, and leave it at that.

 

[MEG Hal]

Not really a false dilemma. I imagine my kids growing up and doing one. Then I imagine them growing up and doing the other. Envisioning them with guns bothers me more. Try it. Which vision bothers you more?

Both bother me immensely (due to my kids ages), I have a 2 and 3 year old and:
1) Use a gun in my profession
2) Deal with sex offenders in my profession

But I am also not opposed to this book. Will it be on a shelf where my kids can get to it-nope
Is my gun someplace where my kids can get to it-nope

My children do not even no I carry a gun ( I carry concealed) and until they are older it will remain to be that way.

IMHO personal opinion (not MEG's), it is the responsibility of the parent if they have a book they feel is not suitable for minors make sure minors will not look at it, if you have a weapon, make sure the minors can not get to it (safe, lockbox etc...). I am not stating not to teach children about these issues, it is just something I will talk to them about when we are ready.

*So buy the book, do not buy the book, but be responsible if you have youngins' around. I have respect for the team that is putting this together so I will take a look at the book and see what I think when it is here.

 

[Ancalagon]

I'm just confused as to why the press released led us to believe Valtera was the author when he is not.

Sure, creating controversy to atract attention is an old tactic, but that was downright missinformation.

As to the product itself, I will reserve judgement for when I see it.

Ancalagon

 

[MerakSpielman]

I'm just confused as to why the press released led us to believe Valtera was the author when he is not.

Sure, creating controversy to atract attention is an old tactic, but that was downright missinformation.

As to the product itself, I will reserve judgement for when I see it.

Ancalagon

But their lawyers will say the release never actually said he was the author. Just the photographer. The release also made the book sound like it was Penthouse for D&D, with which Gwen here, one of the actual authors, seems to disagree.

So, yes, it was a pretty cheap ploy. They picked the most contraversial person on the team and talked only about them. They put up a like to that person's most contraversial work.

This was done pretty much ONLY to generate the kinds of discussions we're having here. The more contraversy that surrounds a product, in general, the better it sells. Simply by debating the appropriateness of the book, we are fueling its sales. More people are reading this thread than are posting in it. That sounds like free advertising to me, eh?

Valtera has probably done some pretty mild work, too. It wasn't linked to the press release, because it would have done little to nothing to generate discussion about the product.

People in the porn business can and do more respectible work. The new director for the Harry Potter movies (the old one backed out) used to direct porn movies, for instance (not that there wasn't any hooplah about that). Of course, they didn't want the publicity, so it wasn't mentioned in their press releases.

There's always somebody on the deveopment team for any media (book, film, whatever) who's done some [fringe? adult? questionable?] work in the past. In this case, they chose to advertise the fact.

And we're all paying perfectly into their hands, especially the naysayers. Yes, those of you opposing the book are doing exactly what the publishers wanted you to. Without you, there would be no discussion, no debate, no publicity.