Author (and artist) of The Book of Erotic Fantasy

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What I haven't seen yet is an explaination why a book like this is needed. I've seen a lot of people say they want to see it. But what real purpose does it serve? How vital are rules for sex in your roleplaying game?

Now, I know, a lot of gaming books are released that are not needed, per se, but understand that I feel the same way about them. However, I usually hear reasons as to why they might be needed. In this case, I haven't really heard any.
 

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MerakSpielman said:
And we're all paying perfectly into their hands, especially the naysayers. Yes, those of you opposing the book are doing exactly what the publishers wanted you to. Without you, there would be no discussion, no debate, no publicity.

Who says the naysayers aren't all on the Valar payroll, eh?

EDIT: Actually, that's a great marketing idea that I'll use if I ever publish my own product - find some innocuous reference somewhere in the text, blow it all out of proportion and plaster every gaming forum I can find about how it's going to destroy the hobby, think of the children, boycott now, etc. etc. all under a variety of bogus pseudonyms. :D
 
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mistergone said:
Now, I know, a lot of gaming books are released that are not needed, per se, but understand that I feel the same way about them. However, I usually hear reasons as to why they might be needed. In this case, I haven't really heard any.

Several were mentioned above as possiblities, and in other threads. Whether or not you find them useful is another thought entirely. I thought I presented a couple, and there have been others, as well.

For example:

  • Many cultures tied sex or abstinence to magical powers or purity. No rules exist for this.
  • Spells exist that use Vile components, but none that involve sexual components or effects. With several creatures, such as nymphs and succubi, sexual powers are intimated, but not expanded upon.
  • Reproductive issues, and consequences of sex. Half-dragons abound, it seems, in 3E. The stork didn't bring those kids. The same with Half-orcs and half-elves.
  • Speaking of half-breeds, why are there no half-dwarves, or half-gnomes/half-halfings? And why ARE there half-ogres?
  • Many ancient cultures held significance in the menustration cycle, and fertility was an important aspect of both magic and power. Rules and discussion of this topic would have merit.

I could go on, but you get the idea. There are lots of avenues of potential discussion, here. Will this book cover that? I have no idea. But I could see where it could contain useful or interesting ideas.
 

d20Dwarf said:
Thrive? Comic books are dying on the shelves as an industry, it's not nearly as vibrant as it once was. The decline coincided with the rise in the number of independent, edgy, ULTRA violent, ULTRA sexual comic books.

Whether or not that was the cause of the decline, I can't say, so don't go accusing me of post hoc ergo propter hoc. :) I'm just saying that it's possible that this sort of content DOES hurt sales in a primarily escapist market, whether it be aimed at children or adults.
The last "boom" period in comics coincided with an increase in ultra-violence and near-naked pinup-posed babes. So did the pandering hurt or help sales? IMO, it probably helped some, but the reasons behind the boom didn't have much to do with the actual content of the books. The US comic industry is dying, has been dying for a long time now, because comics were banished from newstands and for the most part can now only be found in specialty shops. And the price of mainstream comics has caught up with inflation. And people have a lot more choices for escapist distractions available to them these days. I don't think the content of independant books aimed at mature readers has much to do with it. Most comic buyers aren't even aware of the independant books, regardless of their content. A lot of comic shops still don't carry much of anything outside of the big publishers, again, regardless of content.

And I think it's likely the RPG market is hurting (compared to its heyday in the 80's) for similar reasons. Loss of access (can you still buy RPG books in Toys'R'Us or Kaybee?). Increased prices (due to higher production values and lower print runs). Competition from video games and other entertainment.

"Edgy" material in any entertainment market isn't going to hurt that market. By the very nature of the material, it's going to be on the fringe and most buyers won't even be aware of it. Even if they were, the existance of edgy books/movies/games isn't going to stop people from consuming the mainstream books/movies/games that they do enjoy.
 
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mistergone said:
What I haven't seen yet is an explaination why a book like this is needed.
Why not?

Seriously, the genre (sub-genre?) of Erotic Fantasy has been around for a long time: Conan, Den, Velajo and Frazetta art, Red Sonya... Even Xena, despite being scrubbed for WGN TV, has more than a few episodes that seemed more aptly placed in the pages of Heavy Metal than on TV (especially if you've seen some of those uncut versions... Yowza...). Personally, it was indeed Erotic Fantasy that got me into D&D to begin with.

Generally, these rules would support that aspect of the genre. In addition, the rules regarding pregnancy, birth control, and the like will also relate to the flip-side: The reprocutions of such acts, from STDs to illegitament children.

In addition, there are other elements: The benefits of sex-slaves and/or harems (a new spin on Leadership?), sex magic, the creative chakra, etc. For instance, was the orgy scene in Conan the Barbarian just a frollicing of wanton lust, or was Thulsa Doom channeling the energy into some greater working?

Sure, a DM could make his own rules, but this is more time taken away from development of setting and plot (which is rarely a good thing), or he can simply be arbitrary about it (which can easily bring complaints from the players regardless of how fair the DM is being about it because there are no rules for it).

For instance, last night, my wife and I had a long talk about how, in 3E, the chainmail bikini is indeed a viable option (based on the fact that high Dex and magic would provide protection, optionally along with Defense Bonuses and Defense Rolls, with the chainmail bikini being nothing more than decoration). People will still decry such an outfit even though such is far more viable in 3E than it was in any edition. This led on to a thourough look through my good ol' Heavy Metal and Richard Corben collection, going over how, even though the actual act of sex isn't often portrayed (disclaimer: outside of the Druuna books, of course), it was often occuring. Reason being? Much like the justification for the whole-sale slaughter of entire races in D&D is based on "it's not the real world", so too is the idea that sex need not be taboo, shameful or sinful in such a world.

For instance, there was some complaint about a prestige class in BoVD requiring a sexual ritual, insinuating that the book implied that sex was evil. It seemed all too easy for the complainers to overlook the fact that the requirement was a "humiliating" sexual ritual, which is definately related but by no means the same thing.

This appears indeed to be the angle that this book is aiming for, recognizing an entire facet of the fantasy genre with rules to support it, making these rules in a manner to allow them to be ported into a standard game (in total or piece-meal), and likely as an OGL product rather than hanging it's "image" on the d20 logo.

I think that's part of the reasoning behind what Anthony is implying when he indicates "compatible" in the press release. The d20 logo indicates, more or less, some degree of compatibility in that certain key elements of balance (character creation, leveling, etc.) are identicle to the Core Rules (and thus everything else must be written to match well enough to be deemed "balanced"), while an OGL-only product can indeed break from that standard without any justification (assuming the product is self-balanced, else today's fan base will demand a certain degree of explaination). So perhaps, just this once, AV let that "slip" as a matter of indicating that, while an independantly produced OGL Game, it will be written with the same numerical standard many of us have become familiar with (either as the default we use or as the standard the we home-brew/alter d20 material from).

Of course, this assumes that it's OGL, not OGL/d20STL, as the press release pointed at the OGL several times but never mentions the d20STL at all.
 
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d20Dwarf said:
I will say, however, that responsible parents will not have porn in a house with children, and leave it at that.
How true! Why, when I was a little kid I used to look at my dad's copies of Playboy and Penthouse (he didn't hide 'em very well) and just look at me now. A raving sex maniac with absolutely no sense of decency... :(
 


mistergone said:
What I haven't seen yet is an explaination why a book like this is needed. I've seen a lot of people say they want to see it. But what real purpose does it serve? How vital are rules for sex in your roleplaying game?

Now, I know, a lot of gaming books are released that are not needed, per se, but understand that I feel the same way about them. However, I usually hear reasons as to why they might be needed. In this case, I haven't really heard any.

One point on this. There's no particular need for anyone to provide a good reason is there? At least pertinent to this discussion. If the subject were about whether such a supplement had enough demand to make it successful, this would be an important question.

However, if there isn't a desire for it, I suppose it won't sell well, and that will take care of itself.

Skaros
 

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