Automatic Failures/Successes

[doktorstick]

Howdy.

We got in a bit of a discussion about automatic failure/successes on die rolls. Most of us said that attacks and saves are subject to automatics while skills are not.

Attack rolls and skill rolls are automatically pointed out in the rules. However, we could not find the specifics of saves (using the indices of the PHB and DMG as well as the glossary referencing saving throws, fail, and automatic).

Does anyone know of an official reference?

Thanks.
/ds

 

[kreynolds]

Does anyone know of an official reference?

It's in the FAQ. For those that don't believe the FAQ is official enough, stick Deities & Demigods in their face.

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Saves are supposed to be automatic successes/failures on a natural 20/1. This is not spelled out in the PH, but it is confirmed in the FAQ/DDG as Kreynolds said.

I have read that the authors of the PH said they meant to include that in the section on saving throws, and it was an oversight that it got left out. They should have included it in the errata, IMO, but the other two sources are good enough for me.