Avengers 503...ends...on a whimper?

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Just finished reading it...the jury is out on this.

But mercy...I can't---*speechless*

Edit: Spoiler Alert...

Ok, the bad person, the enemy of the Avengers, the one that knows them all personally (yupe, draggin' a bit here)is....WANDA!!!, and the second bit of revised hsitory on her powers, chaos magic doesn't exist!!! Her abilities are far greater than that...she has the means to warp reality, literally. And Doctor Strange is the person to end the drama, Magneto comes at the end, to collect his mind-wiped daughter(yes, it is finally made clear, that she is) and honestly...everyone in the Avengers clan had a hard time dealing with it, that she went off the bend, and they all knew her past, but that part was removed from her(and not talked about among the group for a long time), until Janet(aka the Wasp) made a slip in conversation about having kids, and that folks, was the match that lit the fuse.

This is the short and condense verison.
 
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Well, come on man, make with the spoiler tags so that those of us who havent' seen the comic can know what happens.

Hope it's better than how the Thor series ended. I mean talk about lame...
 

I had Avengers on my hold list, I was told that Bendis was the new comic writing god and all that jazz. After reading 500-502 I dropped it. Poor characterization, poor scripting, poor plotting, just poor work. Roger Stern could have told this "story" in one issue and done it better. blah.
 

Bendis has done some ok stuff (Powers) some good stuff ( Daredevil, his b&w stuff like Jinx) some bad stuff (Ultimate Spider-man for the most part) and some great stuff (Alias)

it only makes sense he'd add something awful to his list.

This story bites any which way you look at it.
I don't know why you started this thread without a spoiler label and force me to use spoiler tags :(

Strange himself has used Chaos Magic in his own book, Wanda has remmebered her kids before , why didnt Simon get more involved AND WHERE WAS PIETRO? You would think that Pietro would have something to say about this revelation about his sister, or when his dad shows up. Tom Bervoot supposedly tired to explain Wanda remembering her kids previously by saying that Agatha was killed LOOOONG ago, but then he'd have to explain away all the Agatha appearances. OOPS. And one last thing...why do the Avengers let the guy who just destroyed Manhattan show up and take Wanda away without batting an eye?

Theres a slight chance these things can be explained away next week in Avengers Finale, but I doubt it. Although, after reading the other Avengers Disassembled "tie-ins", I have a theory that maybe NONE of this is real. Just waaaay to many inconsistencies.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
I had Avengers on my hold list, I was told that Bendis was the new comic writing god and all that jazz. After reading 500-502 I dropped it. Poor characterization, poor scripting, poor plotting, just poor work. Roger Stern could have told this "story" in one issue and done it better. blah.
No Spoiler Tags Needed

You are correct on all accounts, I just reread the book, this time, viewing the information giving by Doctor Strange, to why things are happening, the in-between dialouge by others...is flippin' ugly.

Bendis is not the blame on this entirely, the editorial staff as well, but then again, all final decisions are made by the big people who signs their paychecks...but using a legit source for a character's grievance, is well documented in the comic book fandom(history). So, there is some credit of intelligence and forethought being used(feel free to rip that notion apart also) to make this 'legal'.

The Fallen Angel book, the writer there presents a more intelligent scenario, than what was produced by Bendis and staff.

In a wrap, I only was collecting the arc to see what was going on, with much regret, I wish now...I didn't.

To change the format of team is okay, but the way it was done, was just too easy, too fractured, and too painful to know, that someone who suffered so much in their life...had to be made a scapegoat.

Update: The Jury is in...
 
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JoeGKushner said:
So what exactly happens?
This was pulled from ComicResource forum...a total breakdown on #503, posted by Beast, a forum resident.

Hey guys, This is a MAJOR AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED #503 SPOILER. If you don't want to know some of the spoiiler info I am about to reveal, don't read this.
1. Who is the Villain? It is Wanda: The Scarlet Witch. And yes, Wizard was right. This isn't a bogus set-up with Marvel involved. She is not posessed, siding with Hank Pym or Anyone else. She is not crazy or from an alternate timeline.
2. Dr.Strange is explaining to the Avengers why she is doing what she is doing. She is conscious of what she is doing and the reasons.
3. Dr. Strange goes on to say that Wanda is losing a part of herself each time she uses her powers, each time she alters reality. He says she didn't deserve the chaos powers and her mutant abilities, although she was born with them. Why is she doing this/Because she knows she is losing herself and wants to regain the happiness she had before she was with and during the Avengers.
4. Everything is touched upon, from her children, her bouts of being crazy, to being posessed.
5. Dr. Strange says what Agatha Harkness said that Wanda came into her next leve of powers too soon, and that she was not trained sufficiently in how to control and use them.
6. In essence, Wanda is warping and altering reality around the Avengers. She really knows what she is doing, just to regain her happiness. She's essentially lost within' herself.
7.There is a BIG Splash page showing Wanda's history.
8. Dr. Strange says he tried to take her under his wing at one time to train her, but that failed because she was so busy with the Avengers.
9. Remember the Inconsistencies with the Attacks? Especially the Kree being odd and not Logical? That was Wanda warping realities.
10. Dr. Strange does battle with Wanda to stop her. Wanda Loses.
11. Does Wanda Die? NO! How does Dr. Strange Stop her? --- With much sadness in his heart, he has no choice but to wipe her mind clean. He basically lobotomizes Wanda so she has no access to her powers anymore.
12. Who is the BIG shocker at the end that will have people talking for years? None other than Magneto. He says: "Charles was right, it is Wanda. My daughter." And he asks the Avengers to give his daughter to him, which they do. He carries her off back to Charles and Excalibur. This leaves the door open for Wanda to come back as her old self. Though she's currently essentially an empty body at the moment. So could be posessed and come back as an enemy of the X-Men. Anyways, this leaves the door open for her comeback That's it Folks.
 

The Rationale Makings of the Fallen Scarlet Witch...

Leave it to a comic fan, to pull the history strands together, to make sense of of Wanda's plight.

Folks, I give you FanboyStranger, resident at ComicResoruce forums, who literally piece together the multiple threads, that make sense(better than Bendis, I have to say)...that to Wanda's fall from grace. And you know what, you know what...the fault lies with all the previous writers and editors, that lead up to this...that right, when you read all this massive outline, the indirect conclusion is there.

Let me preface this by saying that I didn't really enjoy Avengers Disassembled due to its execution, but I really like the idea of the Scarlet Witch being behind it all. It all makes a lot of sense now.

Taken over a long time, Wanda is and always has been damaged goods. Her family-- Magneto, Quicksilver, and herself-- is quite obviously mentally ill, suffering from some type of bipolar disorder that had manifested itself over trauma related to abandonment. (There are often genetic roots for depression and other sorts of emotional disorders.) It's most clear, I think, in Magneto: his family was taken from him by the Nazis, and he has taken mutant kind as a surrogate family he must protect while avoiding intimacy with his true family, Pietro and Wanda. His actions are often erratic; one minute he seeks to punish humanity for their crimes, other times he seeks conciliation.

Quicksilver has also gone off the deep end in the past. The reason? An insular, distrustful person by nature, Pietro found love in the arms of Crystal, who is a member of an insular, distrustful culture, although she is relatively well adjusted. The Inhumans never accepted him, however, seeing him as valorous, but still genetically inferior. When Crystal betrayed him by sleeping with another man-- a normal human at that-- he lost his mind, battling the Avengers and the FF. Eventually, he teamed up with fellow mutants in X-Factor, but even that was a means to an end. He never felt "comfortable" with himself until he a) led the Knights of Wundagore, a surrogate family of man-animals which reminded him of his youth being raised by Bova, his true mother figure, and b) reunited with Crystal, thereby reconnecting with the only familial bond that gave him stability. Except for, of course, his sister.

Wanda's always put on a brave face, but let's face it: she's been doomed from the beginning. Abandoned by her true father, her mother died in childbirth in the midst of a supernatural battle against Chton, the source of all black magic in the Marvel Universe. During the birth, Wanda has struck by stray bolt of mystical energy, which altered her latent mutant powers into "hex" bolts and, later, so-called "chaos magic". (The link to dark powers/evil was there from the very beginning; it just never really worked through until recently. I'll get to that later.) Bova gave Wanda and Pietro to the Maximoffs, who abandoned them when Wanda's powers began to manifest. They were rescued from an angry mob by Magneto, who allegedly was unaware that he was their father, but just happened to be looking for new recruits in Transia, where he had lived with Magda. In Magneto, Wanda had her first surrogate father figure, although, ironically, it was her true father. He did not treat her well, ignoring her for the most part while truly repulsive men like the Toad (laughably) and Mastermind (more sinisterly) drooled over her. It was Pietro who protected her.

Eventually, Wanda and Pietro join the Avengers, where Wanda meets her second father figure, Captain America. She's attracted to Cap, but let's face it: he's as unattainable as it gets. But he's still the perfect man in that he protects her as only Pietro has in the past. Hawkeye is there as well, but he does not have the same shine to him. (I mean, Hawk's my favorite Avenger, but he's still a guy that's going to say anything to get into a woman's pants. He's the Everyman Avenger!) True love hits Wanda in the form of the Vision, a man who isn't a man at all, just as Wanda isn't really human. I speculate that Wanda's dark magic works via her subconcious to influence events in order to give the Vision feelings for her. Once the cap's off the bottle, the magic flows more easily. Vision and Wanda marry, but Vizh is unable to reproduce. Wanda taps into her dark power to create children. These children are apparently aspects of Mephisto's power, and he sends Master Pandemonium to get them back. Mephisto absorbs the children back into himself around the same time when Vision is disassembled. He is rebuilt with no emotions. Wanda has been abandoned again, and she goes off the deep end, becoming a Dark Scarlet Witch. The dark aspect of herself gains control because of this trauma. She is restored to herself due to the intervention of the her friends in the WCA, particularly Wonder Man, who is, after all, the pattern for Vision's personality. She compartmentalizes her pain as abuse victims often do as repressed memories.

Now, here's where it gets really interesting: Wanda is used as a magical tool by Morgan Le Fey, the mythological sorceress who was originally responsible for Chton being trapped between dimensions under Wundagore. Morgan sets up an elaborate scheme to distract the Avengers with Asgardian menaces, while her true prize is Wanda whose power will help her tap into Surtur's sword to warp reality. Morgan, I speculate, understands the true nature of Wanda's power-- that she is a purer link to Chton's power that even the Darkhold. Wanda and, to a lesser extent, the Avengers defeat Morgan by summoning Wonder Man back from the void. Suddenly, Wanda can summon Wondy back anytime she wants. He feels that it is their love for one another that brings him back, but she is not sure. Eventually, she goes to Agatha Harkness in the midst of a battle with the Grim Reaper and several deceased Avengers. She is convinced that the Grim Reaper is the one who has controlled Wondy's comings and goings, but Agatha, herself a link to dark power, tells her that the answers are within herself and explains the true nature of Wanda's power to her.

Of course, Agatha Harkness is dead. This is the dark force within Wanda asserting itself. Eventually, it works through Wanda's repressed memories until Wanda, already prone to mental illness, snaps. And then she lashes out at the one constant in her life: her surrogate family, Avengers, who let her down at her lowest moment, just as she has always been let down by family.

But why now?

In JLA/Avengers, two key things happen to Wanda: 1) she experiences the true sensation of pure, defined "chaos magic" and how powerful it can be; and 2) she sees glimpses of what had been within the Gamesmaster's screen, rediscovers her pain, and realizes how malleable reality is to someone with power. Like the rest, she conciously forgets when the two universes "right" themselves, but things are already working within Wanda's dark subconcious. This only reinforces them.

It begins with Wanda subconciously reaching out to her ideal man, Captain America, to save her with his love. (In Captain America and the Falcoln) But that doesn't work. So, she snaps, the dark powers act out through and towards characters who either resemble or are responsible for her state of mind:

--Jack Hart, whose problems and eventual death were caused by the negligence of his father.

--Scott Lang, who in death abandons a young daughter, just as Wanda was abandoned.

--She-Hulk, who, like Wanda, has a dark, uncontrollable aspect to herself.

--Iron Man, who betrayed her during the Crossing when she was leader of Force Works and through his alcoholism and womanizing, represents the weakness of men in general.

--Vision, her former husband reduced to what he was when the Avengers first encountered him, a trap set by Ultron.

--The Kree, another race of being superior to humanity, much like her true father feels mutants are.

And in the end, who comes back to save her? Her father, the man who was never there for her.

Of course, I could just be full of crap.
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Richards said:
I don't think FanboyStranger is full of crap. He actually makes a lot of sense.

Johnathan
He does...he just put that at the end...for amusement I suppose ;), but it made me sign on to the site, finally, to give praise...as hurtful as it looks, all of it is soooo true :( .

That is why, I blame all previous writers and editors for the condition...as it legit to use, the execution of it, still leaves a sour taste in my gut.
 

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