Avengers 503...ends...on a whimper?

Bendis is one of those writers that can only do stuff that his heart is really in. He can't
make a gourmet steak out of crap like some (for example Alan Moore or Kurt Busiek). But
what he really puts his mind to is usually pure gold.

This is why Avengers Disassambled sucks. It's not a story Bendis wants to tell. It's a
story he made up in haste to be able to tell the story he wants. This is also why I'm
quite looking forward to his New Avengers, as that's the story he's causing all this
mayhem for.
 

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More Hurt Done to Wanda, History was ignored...

Just saw this at Cinescape Comic Review.

It seems tha Bendis and the editorial staff did ignore or forget a piece of Wanda's past.

She knew about the kids, beforehand, way before Janet Pym made that lip slip at the pool.

Here is the whole article:

<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>[font=verdana,helvetica]AVENGERS #503[/font]</TD></TR><TR><TD>[font=verdana,helvetica]Not with a bang, but with a whimper[/font]</TD></TR><TR><TD><HR>[font=verdana,helvetica]Dateline: Tuesday, November 9, 2004[/font]</TD></TR><TR><TD>
[font=verdana,helvetica]By: TONY WHITT[/font]</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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<CENTER>WARNING: SPOILERS AHEAD!</CENTER>

Doctor Strange reveals to the assembled Avengers of past and present that the attacks that have taken the lives of the Vision, Ant-Man, and Hawkeye are all magic-based, and that he knows who's behind it all. But the revelation turns out to be too much for the group to bear, as they discover it's one of their own.





It's not surprising that there's been such a negative buzz about the resolution of the "Avengers Disassembled" storyline, especially when one considers the curve balls that Bendis has thrown readers in order to achieve it. The revelation that it was Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch, the entire time is not necessarily the thing which rankles most – though I'm sure there's a legion of fans out there who are more than a little miffed that one of their favorite characters has been shown as so radically unstable that she'd destroy her friends in order to bring back the children she never really had. The thing that rankles is that, much like J. Michael Straczynski in the recent AMAZING SPIDER-MAN storyline, Bendis has changed some major parts of established history to pull all this off – but unlike JMS, the ends have not justified the means.





I have to give credit to Frank Gembeck of the GLA list for bringing to my attention two of the major problems underlying this issue. One centers on the idea that the existence of Wanda's children was kept from her by Agatha Harkness, only to be revealed by a surprisingly ditzy Wasp out by the Avengers Mansion pool. It's a characteristic Bendis character-building moment, despite what it does to Janet Pym: how often do we get to see our heroes just relaxing by the pool, really? But not only is the slip out of character, the need for it is unnecessary – Gembeck points out that Wanda had already learned about her kids again, and from Agatha Harkness, back in WEST COAST AVENGERS ANNUAL #7. (Of course, no one else really read that series, either, so why should Bendis pay attention to it?) If the previous story occurred, then not only is the poolside revelation an invention to bring the current story along, it also makes Agatha's eventual fate as revealed here highly problematic. Then there's Dr. Strange's revelation to the group that, despite what Wanda has said all along she's tapped into, there is no such thing as chaos magic – despite the fact that, according to Gembeck, the good doctor himself used chaos magic, and specifically called it that, in his own book some time back when his usual powers fled for a bit. Ouch.





But given that Wanda's motivation for what she's done has all been about rewriting history, one has to wonder if Bendis should be cut some slack. This revisionism and the darkening (some would say "trashing") of Wanda's character results in a gripping if talky story, and it's hard to say, without the aid of news leaks and so forth, whether any of us could've predicted this. Whether it's the sort of thing that justifies a complete rebooting of the Avengers from top to bottom, though, is still an open question. If the implication is meant to be that the Avengers as they had been were too dumb to see the problem in front of them until it had almost destroyed them, necessitating the deus ex machina of Stephen Strange to sort it all out for them, then yeah, they probably should disband. But isn't that a bit of a straw man argument, really? And is it worth alienating a vast number of Avengers fans to do such a thing in the first place? I guess only time will tell, because I sure as hell can't.
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I just read the "Avengers Finale" comic book last night, which was to wrap up the whole plotline. It featured a bunch of the Avengers' personal favorite moments, which ended up rather lame as about half of them chose an event that they weren't even a part of. It ended up reading like a poorly-scripted clip show.

All in all, this whole "Avengers Disassembled" has left a pretty bad taste in my mouth.

Johnathan
 

I'm sorry, but I really cant see this as anything other than a way to get Wolverine and other "cool" characters into the Avengers, and at the cost of the deaths of several interesting characters and the complete alteration of an existing character to make a "shocking" villian.

The entire fiasco gives me visions of Hal Jordan.

As for Bendi's desire to write his own stories? Let him make his own dang team and leave the Avengers alone.

Anyway, Marvels litigousness has disgusted me to the point that I won't read or watch anything they make anymore. I was looking forward to several movies too :(
 

Aaron L said:
I'm sorry, but I really cant see this as anything other than a way to get Wolverine and other "cool" characters into the Avengers, and at the cost of the deaths of several interesting characters and the complete alteration of an existing character to make a "shocking" villian.

Ah, they have done this before. The "cool" characters will probably be gone within 6 or 7 issues, and the team will end up back to something similar to what we have seen before. Back in issue 300 (I think) they reboot the team as well, and at that time Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman became members for 4 or 5 issues. They didn't last then, and I doubt that Wolverine and Spiderman will remain members this time either.

(There is a huge chuck of Avengers history that I'm missing, as I stopped reading the book in the mid 300s and just returned to it when Bendis bagan writing, so if there is any other major "cool character" reboot, I don't know about it)
 

Aaron L said:
I'm sorry, but I really cant see this as anything other than a way to get Wolverine and other "cool" characters into the Avengers, and at the cost of the deaths of several interesting characters and the complete alteration of an existing character to make a "shocking" villian.

The entire fiasco gives me visions of Hal Jordan.

As for Bendi's desire to write his own stories? Let him make his own dang team and leave the Avengers alone.

Anyway, Marvels litigousness has disgusted me to the point that I won't read or watch anything they make anymore. I was looking forward to several movies too :(
The worse part to all this, is that some... of the new 'memebers' are movie-related, which was the goal in the first place by Marvel Bosses, turning the massive library into a movie-making, money growing franchise(they will not deny it) but at what cost, at what cost, are they willing to achieve that...'dream'?
 
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Cthulhu's Librarian said:
Ah, they have done this before. The "cool" characters will probably be gone within 6 or 7 issues, and the team will end up back to something similar to what we have seen before. Back in issue 300 (I think) they reboot the team as well, and at that time Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman became members for 4 or 5 issues. They didn't last then, and I doubt that Wolverine and Spiderman will remain members this time either.

The two situations really aren't that comparable. Reed and Sue may be major players in the Marvel Universe, but in the real world, they're nowhere near the same league as Spider-Man and Wolverine. Bendis, Spidey, and Wolverine are all "hot" and almost guarantee a huge boost (albeit an artificial one, like Jim Lee taking over Batman) in circulation for Avengers. Marvel Zombies still buy X-Men titles in droves, through the most mediocre creative eras that would kill off almost any other title.

It's also a pretty sure bet that this change will be at least 12 issues, and maybe a bit more. "Hot" creators tend to stay on titles for around 12 issues or so, and sometimes even 2-3 years (but not much longer).

Note that I'm not denying your skepticism about this, just readjusting it.
 

Does anyone know how they're going to do this whole Wolverine thing anyway? I mean right now he's some type of undead-Hand servant in his own comic, and is staring in the other comics.

Or is this just a case of "Well, we'll push continuity to the side over here and move on."
 

JoeGKushner said:
Does anyone know how they're going to do this whole Wolverine thing anyway? I mean right now he's some type of undead-Hand servant in his own comic, and is staring in the other comics.

Or is this just a case of "Well, we'll push continuity to the side over here and move on."

Marvel pays no attention to that anymore. Magento destroyed Manhatten but it didn't appear to affect any other titles either.
 

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