Avoid AoOs - 5' step into target's square?

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I2K: Why not?

What prevents you from taking a 5' step into an occupied square?

 

[Sithobi1]

There's no problem with Tiny or smaller creatures attacking a Small creature, because Tiny or smaller creatures are allowed to move into/through another creature's square.

 

[Klaus]

Reach weapons.

FEAR the Tiny human rogue 20 with a spiked chain and Improved Feint!

 

[jeffman]

Not Pixies, Raven

Or, you could just give all your Pixies reach weapons

More like, Wraithstriking (CA) Mirror Imaged Raven 1d3-4, or whatever the damage is, is definently rocking

The only rules allowing for Tiny creatures to enter another's square is via movement, as quoted in the first post. That movement provokes an AoO. That movement also does not equate to, nor allow, a 5ft-step. If you allow a Tiny creature to 5ft-step into another's square, there's just no rule that allows that, and thus it cannot be done.

I believe I2K's point is how in my original post, the rules only state that a tiny creature can move into or through an occupied square. It doesn't say a tiny creature can occupy an occupied square. That is said in the DMG (as earlier noted).

 

[RigaMortus2]

Isn't a 5-foot step a move? It may not be a MOVE ACTION, but you are certainly moving from one square to another. It also says that you can take a 5-foot step in any round that you don't perform any other kind of movement. So clearly a 5-foot step is a kind of movement, as there are other kinds of movement.

I'd say they can take a 5-foot step and end in the same square, but they still provoke an AoO. Not from the 5-foot step, but from the specific rule allowing Fine, Dimunitive and Tiny creatures from moving into the same square occupied by an opponent that is larger.

 

[Nail]

The only rules allowing for Tiny creatures to enter another's square is via movement, as quoted in the first post.

"into or through"

The distinction is important. If you have moved into a square, but not through the square, you now occupy the square. Creatures of size Tiny or smaller can do this even if the square is otherwise occupied.

As for the "5-ft step not equal to movement"......huh? Why not?

 

[Infiniti2000]

What prevents you from taking a 5' step into an occupied square?

Good question. I'm not sure.

Can a medium creature take a 5ft-step into another medium creature's Space?

 

[Nail]

Good question. I'm not sure.

Can a medium creature take a 5ft-step into another medium creature's Space?

No. Only Tiny or smaller creatures are allowed to "move into or through an occupied square. "

In the "BIG AND LITTLE CREATURES IN COMBAT" section of the SRD, it says:

Creatures that take up less than 1 square of space typically have a natural reach of 0 feet, meaning they can’t reach into adjacent squares. They must enter an opponent’s square to attack in melee.

That last bit implies that such creatures are allowed to remain in the square. ....But I'll admit that shaky.

 

[Nail]

Pgae 29 of the 3.5e DMG helps a bit here.

Why is this stuff not in the SRD?

 

[Nail]

Interesting wording.

Creatures two size catagories apart can occupy the same space without special circumstances. Half the normal number of creatures can occupy the space as usual (fractions are not allowed).

Creatures may occupy the same square if they are three or more size catagories different. For instance, a human could occupy one of the squares also occupied by a purple worm.