Aware of being charmed?

[FreeTheSlaves]

Hypothetically if you had readied to counterspell the incoming charm monster (and failed) would you recognise that you have been charmed and be allowed to dispel it?

Same goes for a good friend telling you that you have been charmed and to accept the targetted dispel.

Off hand I'd say this is acceptable, thoughts?

 

[Azul]

Sounds like a situation where a little roleplaying (or at least a solid Diplomacy check) would be appropriate to convince the charmed individual to accept having the dispel cast upon them. Seems logical that the charmed person would assume the charmer meant never meant any harm in the first place (it skews their views about the charmer) and thus the rest of the party would have to convince the charmed person that there is no harm in having the targetted dispel cast (overcoming the charmed persons magically-induced trust of the charmer).

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Yup, that would be what I'd think about the targetted dispel.

Question still stands with the failed counterspelling caster being allowed to recognise and dispel their charmed state?

 

[Destil]

According to the DMG you never realise you're charmed if you fail your save, because well.... you're charmed. That's part of the spell. (DMG 73: Charm and Compulsion). In your example (I assume the counterpell failed?) you'd simple think you made the will save, anyway.

 

[FreeTheSlaves]

Good point Destil, not much more to say.

 

[Stalker0]

According to the DMG you never realise you're charmed if you fail your save, because well.... you're charmed. That's part of the spell. (DMG 73: Charm and Compulsion). In your example (I assume the counterpell failed?) you'd simple think you made the will save, anyway.

Nowhere in that description does it say the person doesn't know they're charmed.

 

[Artoomis]

I'd say no, you do not know you are charmed. If you did, you'd probably consider that a hostile act which would either give you a +5 save or end the spell.

However, it might be possible for others to convince you that you are charmed. Simply pointing out that a few minutes ago you thought this person was your enemy might be enough to allow a dispel - though, to be certain, you'd probabaly want ALL spells on you to be eliminated so you could know what your true feelings were.

In any case, I think it would take a few minutes, at least, to accomplish this, and so couls probably only be done outside of combat.

 

[AuraSeer]

Even if you do know you're charmed, IMO you just don't care.

"Evil Bob is my friend, he'd never cast any bad spells on me."
"Dude, he put a charm on you just ten seconds ago! You even yelled, 'Watch out, he's casting charm monster.' Remember that?"
"Of course I remember, but I'm sure he had a good reason."
"Whatever. Anyway, you'd better cast dispel magic on yourself."
"Why waste the spell? The charm isn't affecting me. Bob would still be my friend even if I dispelled it."