Away a while - what's the situation?

[ashockney]

This claim is often made and always unsubstantiated.

I'm quoting Joe Goodman. You could also be quoting Amazon.com, or ICV2, or Alliance. Pretty much all the same story.

 

[ashockney]

ahnehnois, could you give me the one-sentence version of why someone would choose Trailblazer over Pathfinder? Same for FantasyCraft?

I'm curious if I should dig deeper.

Ry -

Trailblazer is by Wulf here on the boards. He did this under his "Bad Axe Games" banner. I thought he did the best stuff in the independent, small press market. I got a copy of TB, and it was full of delicious crunchy goodness. Not exactly up the alley of how you describe the IPR goodness you've delved into, but definitely cool OGL add-on's.

PS - Congrats on the Cannon Puncture Show, very cool!

 

[The Little Raven]

I'm quoting Joe Goodman.

Please point me to this supposed quote of Joe Goodman claiming to know both 3e's and 4e's launch sales figures and directly stating that 3e launched with higher numbers than 4e.

Statements we've seen from the company responsible for both editions, WotC, seems to suggest a different story.

Pretty much all the same story.

Blind men describing an elephant.

 

[Shemeska]

Statements we've seen from the company responsible for both editions, WotC, seems to suggest a different story.

As far as I recall they've only really spoken about the first print run of 4e versus 3e. After that they got rather oddly quiet and have been since then with regards to pimping any further relative sales figures. Admittedly that's on par with like everyone else out there - not openly talking about sales numbers. But overall a lot of stuff has suggested what Goodman and others have stated: 4e sold well initially and since then not exactly doing gangbusters. How any such drop below 3.x sales figures would be viewed by WotC management or anyone above them is obviously nothing we're privy to, though it's fun to speculate and infer from current and future marketing and other such things.

 

[The Little Raven]

As far as I recall they've only really spoken about the first print run of 4e versus 3e. After that they got rather oddly quiet and have been since then with regards to pimping any further relative sales figures.

What actually happened was Mike Mearls unofficially pointing out that 4e's initial print run was bigger than 3.5's (which was bigger than 3.0's), and we were able to piece together some idea of scope from that combined with the announcement that the first print run sold out just before launch and the second print run sold out two months later (3e went for its second print run 4 months after the launch of the PHB).

But overall a lot of stuff has suggested what Goodman and others have stated: 4e sold well initially and since then not exactly doing gangbusters.

"A lot of stuff" being exactly what real evidence? We have notes from 3rd party publishers that their 4e stuff isn't really moving that fast. On the other hand, we have bestseller ratings from sites like Amazon that suggest 4e is doing brisk business.

How any such drop below 3.x sales figures would be viewed by WotC management or anyone above them is obviously nothing we're privy to, though it's fun to speculate and infer from current and future marketing and other such things.

Fun with speculation is running a bit wild, since the claim that 4e is selling before 3e's sales figures is pure speculation in and of itself.

 

[jeffh]

I think the moral of the story is that 4e sold like crazy in the beginning, top three products of all time, but still pretty far behind 3.0's relaunch.

How can it be both the top three products of all time, and "far behind" 3.0?

 

[Ry]

I get that 4e's sales figures are controversial, but I think that's a topic that can fork to a new thread.

Any other mainstream releases that are particularly noteworthy? What has gotten a lot of play?

 

[Kunimatyu]

Savage Worlds, man. It neatly displaced me from beloved E6.

Now, it wouldn't be my goto-storygame, but when I want to bust out grids and monster miniatures, SW has far less prep time than any modern D&D and is just a ton of fun to boot.

 

[MerricB]

You might find this post helpful:
http://www.enworld.org/forum/genera...4-hobby-games-sales-up-5-10-but-not-rpgs.html

Cheers!

 

[Achan hiArusa]

Forget d20. Now Ryan, why is it important to choose a single oracle? Couldn't you mix the oracles for your choices and try to make a story from there? Say do player's choice? And if you did that would you use the owe list to allow them to change the Oracle?