Azrael..what ya think? scared? :) I am!!!
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Youre insane right? A single midlevel cleric can defeat the cosmic death? I tip my hat to that bit of jesting and laugh until my gut pops. Death isnt something a common MORTAL cleric can defeat. Thats a laugh and a half. This death is by far one of the weakest in any of my campaigns.
Killing death should be akin to pulling ones lip over ones head and swallowing while simultaneously annihiliating the entire universe. I honestly think you arent getting the grandness or the vastness of the entire friggin multiverse, the universe, or the nearly endless galaxies contained within them. To equate death to anything trite is just obsurd.
In short this is a universal death...for one entire universe, for millions of galaxies, for quadrillions of solar systems, ect. . Not just the local pop-n-fresh guy that rises up from a corpse to say howdy with a rusty scythe. When one considers the vastness of the myriad of realities...even dungeons and dragons gods are obsurdly UNDER powered. Were talking deities and COSMIC beings here...not...things that mortal minds could understand.
Christ if the real death were a trivial as any dungeons and dragons death, Id kick his ass myself and take his throne just for fun. LOL!!!
And whats more...if DEATH...any DEATH were so trivial a first level human could destroy death by accident with a shotgun loaded with blessed silver buckshot, noone would ever die again. LOL!!! Oh Lordy Ive never laughed so hard. Please tell me you meant that as a joke, because it is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my entire 27 years of existance.
If ur not joking, and Im fairly sure you are, I suggest you try reading some books on mysticism and supernatural forces. Death, any death, should at the very least rival the power of a demilich. and thats if it were to be the weakest death in any of my campaigns.
Anything else is just some undead poser.
Killing death should be akin to pulling ones lip over ones head and swallowing while simultaneously annihiliating the entire universe. I honestly think you arent getting the grandness or the vastness of the entire friggin multiverse, the universe, or the nearly endless galaxies contained within them. To equate death to anything trite is just obsurd.
In short this is a universal death...for one entire universe, for millions of galaxies, for quadrillions of solar systems, ect. . Not just the local pop-n-fresh guy that rises up from a corpse to say howdy with a rusty scythe. When one considers the vastness of the myriad of realities...even dungeons and dragons gods are obsurdly UNDER powered. Were talking deities and COSMIC beings here...not...things that mortal minds could understand.
Christ if the real death were a trivial as any dungeons and dragons death, Id kick his ass myself and take his throne just for fun. LOL!!!
And whats more...if DEATH...any DEATH were so trivial a first level human could destroy death by accident with a shotgun loaded with blessed silver buckshot, noone would ever die again. LOL!!! Oh Lordy Ive never laughed so hard. Please tell me you meant that as a joke, because it is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my entire 27 years of existance.
If ur not joking, and Im fairly sure you are, I suggest you try reading some books on mysticism and supernatural forces. Death, any death, should at the very least rival the power of a demilich. and thats if it were to be the weakest death in any of my campaigns.
Anything else is just some undead poser.
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A side note...as for someone's earlier comment about death being neutral......
I could see death being neutral evil but not pure neutral. A negative energy based creature, as a general rule, should no more be non-evil, than a positive energy creature should be non-good.
Its the equivalent of expecting god to be evil and reside in the lower planes, while simultaneously expecting lucifer to be good and live in heaven.
Life is postive, death is negative.
Now, certain rare exceptions could exist that are more neutral than evil, but they would still be evil by their very nature. Everything death touches brings suffering and misery to many many others who remain living. death takes away hope of redemption. death is very evil. It takes and never gives. Death is innately selfish.
And that is why death is so beautiful, it has nothing to lose, and nothing to gain, it exists solely because it chooses to, and not because it is forced to.
Unfortunately all beauty brings pain, for while deaths touch ends the suffering of one, it torments those left behind.
I could see death being neutral evil but not pure neutral. A negative energy based creature, as a general rule, should no more be non-evil, than a positive energy creature should be non-good.
Its the equivalent of expecting god to be evil and reside in the lower planes, while simultaneously expecting lucifer to be good and live in heaven.
Life is postive, death is negative.
Now, certain rare exceptions could exist that are more neutral than evil, but they would still be evil by their very nature. Everything death touches brings suffering and misery to many many others who remain living. death takes away hope of redemption. death is very evil. It takes and never gives. Death is innately selfish.
And that is why death is so beautiful, it has nothing to lose, and nothing to gain, it exists solely because it chooses to, and not because it is forced to.
Unfortunately all beauty brings pain, for while deaths touch ends the suffering of one, it torments those left behind.
Kafkonia
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dante58701 said:
No, I'm joking about how easy it is to use spells like raise dead or reincarnate to "defeat" death.
I personally think that there's no point to statting up Death, because it's a universal constant. I don't (in real life or my game world) buy into the concept of tiered versions of death, but to each their own, I say! More power to you.
Kafkonia
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dante58701 said:
No, death can bring release for those around them, or complete indifference if, say, you're an ant.
Death gives plenty -- have you ever eaten? Whether you're a vegetarian or not, chances are pretty good what you're eating is dead. Certainly in the natural world, death is a vital part of the cycle of existence, providing fertilizer for plants and food for animals. Look at certain forests and grasslands, for whom periodic destructive fires are integral to their ecosystem, burning down and killing many of the plants and animals so that the ecosystem can renew itself.
Now, it may be that making death evil in your campaign works, because it gives your players a better feeling about beating it up and taking its stuff.
Plot-Device
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Related Sidenote: When he moves, he constantly sonic booms. Death is a one loud guy.
poilbrun
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Although I can agree with both your point of views regarding the concept of death being evil or good (or at least neutral), I have to agree with Dante that this specific personification is undoubtedly evil, just by looking at its abilities.Kafkonia said:No, death can bring release for those around them, or complete indifference if, say, you're an ant.dante58701 said:
Death gives plenty -- have you ever eaten? Whether you're a vegetarian or not, chances are pretty good what you're eating is dead. Certainly in the natural world, death is a vital part of the cycle of existence, providing fertilizer for plants and food for animals. Look at certain forests and grasslands, for whom periodic destructive fires are integral to their ecosystem, burning down and killing many of the plants and animals so that the ecosystem can renew itself.
Now, it may be that making death evil in your campaign works, because it gives your players a better feeling about beating it up and taking its stuff.
bah..no apologies needed, were all friends right LOL!! 
Sonic boom? Nah, he's incorporeal.
Sonic boom? Nah, he's incorporeal.
Sir Brennen
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It's an ethereal sonic boomdante58701 said:
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