Babylon 5 on DVD [NO SPOILERS for Season 5, please]

[TwistedBishop]

I think TNT's main goal was to justify a way out of the contract, like he says above.

 

[John Crichton]

Wait until season 3, hehe. One of the things I like about the show is how the characters evolve from show to show. Also in the later seasons, they start to refer back to stuff that happened in eariler shows.

Yeah, I am enjoying the current season armed with the knowledge that 3&4 are even better than this. It sucks not being able to listen to the commentaries for fear of spoilers. JMS is very interesting and I like to hear his take on things.

No big. It just gives me something else to watch/listen after I finish the series.

 

[MojoGM]

Yeah, I am enjoying the current season armed with the knowledge that 3&4 are even better than this. It sucks not being able to listen to the commentaries for fear of spoilers. JMS is very interesting and I like to hear his take on things.

No big. It just gives me something else to watch/listen after I finish the series.

Keep us updated on your viewing. Since B5 is one of my favorite series, I like to hear the impressions of someone new to the whole thing

 

[Plane Sailing]

Note to Twisted Bishop, Storm Raven and others who wish to discuss Crusade and various theories about the management of the TV series - please would you start a new thread to discuss that. It would be all to easy for spoilers to creep in and JC has already explicitly asked for no spoilers.

So no more discussion of things post season 2 disc 4 until we get an update on John's progress.

Thanks for your co-operation.

Cheers

 

[Storm Raven]

I did mention the production notes, didn't I? Exactly what does your repetition of what I had already stated earlier prove? The fact remains the entire Crusade issue started with ratings, most of it from the Babylon 5 Season Five run on TNT (but I suppose it might also have played off their reruns of previous seasons as well).

Actually, it all started with lousy work on the part of network executives. You see, first there was the whole issue of whether the series would be picked up for Season 5, the poor network support for season 5, and then the asinine interference in the actual production of Crusade. The ratings, to the extent they were a problem, were directly attributable to poor handling by the network.

If you feel like debating the issue further, perhaps you should take into account that this is all coming from Straczynski himself. Here's what JMS had to say about it personally at the Hawthorne Comic Con last May:

"I ran into some guys who worked for TNT about two years after Crusade went down. And they said, "Did you ever hear the rest of the story?"

JMS: "What rest of the story?"

TNT guys: "We found out, we did a research survey, a five year long study of our ratings. This was just after Crusade got going. And, we found out that the audience for B5 came for B5, then left afterward. And the TNT regular viewers didn't stick around for B5 and went away and came back. B5 wasn't adding to our viewer base."

So...they decided to pull the plug on Crusade for that reason and use the money to buy another show. But they couldn't say that because they'd be in breach of contract with Warner Bros. So their job was to make it impossible for us so they could then say, "We aren't getting the show we want, our notes aren't being dealt with, therefore we aren't responsible, we're canceling the show, this is your nut Warner Bros., you take care of it." That is why all the notes became so egregious. If I had given them everything they wanted, they still would have pulled the plug. They just wanted out."

None of which supports the statement that ratings were the issue. This supports the statement that TNT executives didn't know what they were doing. It wasn't about declining ratings, as you have said, nothing in the TNT guys statement deals with that, they said that for some reason getting a different set of viewers for B5 than their other shows was seen as a problem (since apparently, having a diverse market base is bad).

So now, you have shown that not only do you not know what you are talking about, but you can't read what you yourself have posted either.

 

[Plane Sailing]

Storm Raven, you have just deliberatly ignored a moderator request. If you'd like to email me to explain why you think that is a good idea, you are welcome to do so. I was within a few seconds of handing you a 24 hour ban, but thought I'd give you one more chance.

Don't do it again please.

Regards

 

[Orius]

DVD Update: I'm on disc 4 of Season 2 at the moment. Just watched the ep of the "newscast" where the Narn/Centauri crusiers pop up and blow each other to space slag. Good stuff. The actual meat of the story is starting to heat up it looks like...

You ain't seen nothing yet!

 

[John Crichton]

Keep us updated on your viewing. Since B5 is one of my favorite series, I like to hear the impressions of someone new to the whole thing

Sure thing. That's one of the reasons I keep posting. I'd love to hear what other people new to shows that I have watched think while watching DVDs. Shows like Buffy, Farscape & Angel. This really adds to my fun.

I'll try and throw in a few mini-reviews and story predictions as well if I can find the time.

 

[John Crichton]

Note to Twisted Bishop, Storm Raven and others who wish to discuss Crusade and various theories about the management of the TV series - please would you start a new thread to discuss that. It would be all to easy for spoilers to creep in and JC has already explicitly asked for no spoilers.

So no more discussion of things post season 2 disc 4 until we get an update on John's progress.

Thanks for your co-operation.

Cheers

Many thanks, PS. * thumbs up*

 

[John Crichton]

You ain't seen nothing yet!

That's what I'm hoping!

I really like being able to watch these eps a chunk at a time. Having to wait for new eps week after week must have been torture, especially after a particularity juicy plot point was introduced. My retention isn't great either so having seen the eps so close together really helps to piece together the story bits that I normally would have missed.