Bad Faith and Sealioning

[Morrus]

I was always under the impression that, when done deliberately, that was brigading.

Brigading is when a crowd (a 'brigade') overloads your mentions/feed/tags/thread etc. Usually it's organised to some degree, even if it's just a bunch of people in one place pointing to another and encouraging others to join in. It's a bit like joining a bandwagon but more deliberate.

 

[FrogReaver]

I guess I might as well ask. Are accusations of Gish Galloping and Brigading also inherently accusations of bad faith?

 

[Theory of Games]

I guess I might as well ask. Are accusations of Gish Galloping and Brigading also inherently accusations of bad faith?

Gish gallops are more common among knight/bard multiclassers.

Rogues. Don't forget the masters

 

[Morrus]

I guess I might as well ask. Are accusations of Gish Galloping and Brigading also inherently accusations of bad faith?

The answer is the same. Report posts if you think they’re breaking the rules. You’re not going to get a definitive answer to hypotheticals. That’s the best answer you’re going to get.

 

[Thomas Shey]

I think brigading carries with it the connotation that you have deliberately brought along like minded allies who can then flood the conversation (or more often simply resort to group harassment)

Yeah, I can see the distinction. Over on Big Purple, you could get hyena'd without any organized plan, just because there were plenty of people on the other side of an argument, dribbling in piecemeal.

 

[KYRON45]

Honestly, the trouble is that from the perspective of another person, it can be really hard to tell if the person on the other end is sealioning or engaging in good faith.

I mean ... I'm not going to name names, but there are a few posters here that I've come to realize are not arguing in bad faith, they are just really bad with social cues, and really insistent on certain things. It happens.

As I wrote before, it's best to disengage long before it even becomes an issue. Nothing is that important here. I mean, except for my cause to get rid of bards. That is something I will pursue to the heat death of the universe, or the end of the bards- whichever comes first.

Also the deliciousness of Hawaiian pizza.

 

[Umbran]

Gish galloping?

Clearly my mental image of a knight/mage hybrid on a horse was off base.

To gish gallop is to overwhelm your rhetorical opponent with a large number of points, overwhelming their ability to respond to any of them.

It is, to my understanding, more a thing seen in in-person discussion or debate, rather than in online discussion. Online, one can take time and respond to each point in turn, while in person it is harder to remember every point someone made in a long discourse.

 

[KYRON45]

Jakers, I am old! Never even heard of this one.

I'm with you friend.

 

[Umbran]

I mean ... I'm not going to name names, but there are a few posters here that I've come to realize are not arguing in bad faith, they are just really bad with social cues, and really insistent on certain things. It happens.

There can also be an issue in that even if you aren't willfully sealioning, you can have the effect of sealioning, with the impact to the discourse and people of sealioning.

For example, many people do not consciously realize that they are not going to be taking any responses to their questions to heart. A person can proceed, not fully aware of their unconscious biases and emotional states that are in play, such that they are going to reject, rationalize, and dismiss answers.

Then, you get discourse that looks, walks, and quacks like a sealion, and is therefore still a problem.

 

[payn]

To gish gallop is to overwhelm your rhetorical opponent with a large number of points, overwhelming their ability to respond to any of them.

It is, to my understanding, more a thing seen in in-person discussion or debate, rather than in online discussion. Online, one can take time and respond to each point in turn, while in person it is harder to remember every point someone made in a long discourse.

Right, tends to be a popular news segment piece where the person just spews as many items as possible and the person has at best 15 seconds to reply to any/all of it.