balanced lvl 0 tiefling?

[DemonAtheist]

i want a tiefling to join a level 1 party, but with the EL of tieflings that seems like its not going to wrk. Is there a lvl 0 variety of tiefling (no class level, fewer abilities, stuff like that)?

 

[Scion]

I have seen it said by various people that someone said taking away their outsider status and making them just a run of the mill humanoid would make them +0 LA.

Take that as you will though

I'd say also give them a -2 to wisdom, or whatever other stat seems appropriate.

 

[AGGEMAM]

You can use the level 0 rules in the DMG those should be reasonably balanced.

EDIT: It's the Level 1 multiclass variant.

 

[Sammael]

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a

 

[Scion]

A very odd progression there.. with it one loses out on skill points. I thought the goal of those things was to make the creature wind up being the same as the base race ahh well.

If one is going to require taking the level of tiefling then there shouldnt be any harm in getting the +2 int first for the skill points.

 

[Sammael]

Yeah, I would have made them +2 Int, -2 Cha to begin with as well. The intelligence is inherited, +2 Dex comes from having to run away from people who think you are a freak...

 

[DemonAtheist]

that progression was exactly what i was looking for, thanks a bunch!

 

[Sejs]

Yeah, I would have made them +2 Int, -2 Cha to begin with as well. The intelligence is inherited, +2 Dex comes from having to run away from people who think you are a freak...

Personally, I would have done it as +2 Charisma (from an underlying self-confidence and inborn silver-tongued ability to just use people), -2 Wisdom (tending to be a bit impulsive and self-interested, with a subtile disseperation from things ... nothing ever feels quite right, because there's nowhere in particular where something like you is supposed to belong.)


Just my spin on things. ^_^

 

[Veritas]

Well, according to the Savage Species book, the only thing making a Tiefling +1 LA is that it doesn't have balanced stats. So, if you rebalance the stat adjustments, everything else works out. Taking away the initial +2 dex and then have them proceed as a level 1 humanoid rather than a PC class until they reach 2nd level would work, and then they can have the +2 dex bonus and they can take a class.

 

[Darklone]

Elemental resistance does not give LA?