D&D 5E Bard Expertise and Tools

[James Gasik]

And it only steps on the Rogue if a given Rogue would actually want to use their Expertise on Thieves' Tools. Given that playing a Rogue (or any class, for that matter) is supposed to not be necessary to play the game (you want a party of four Druids? Sure, go for it!), it doesn't really make sense to make something a "Rogue-only" option.

 

[ph0rk]

If there is a rogue at the table I'd say no. If there is no rogue (or plans for one) at the table.... meh?

 

[Stormonu]

Artificers get tool expertise with all tools at level 6.

Hmm...that seems too generous, but tool use in the first place is pretty rare. I'd feel more comfortable with expertise in any tool the Artificer had proficiency in.

 

[Torquar]

Especially if the tool is a musical instrument.

They might be better off putting the expertise in Performance.

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

Gotta say ... every time I see the title to this thread, I see Bard's Expertise in Being a Tool.

 

[Umbran]

They might be better off putting the expertise in Performance.

Is that really a great argument for disallowing it, though?

 

[DND_Reborn]

Does Bard's Expertise apply to tools as well or just to skills? I cannot find a clarification anywhere.

Mike Mearls said it was likely an oversight and agreed it wouldn't break anything to allow expertise in a tool proficiency.

FWIW, I've always allowed it and it hasn't ever been an issue since you don't often roll for tool proficiencies...

 

[James Gasik]

Say, something I've wondered; as of Xanathar's, if you have an appropriate Tool and a Skill that would apply to a task, you gain advantage on certain checks. What would happen if you have Expertise in both Tool and Skill?

 

[Plaguescarred]

Expertise for bards only apply to skills, while for rogues it apply to skills and thieve's tools as well.

 

[Stormonu]

Say, something I've wondered; as of Xanathar's, if you have an appropriate Tool and a Skill that would apply to a task, you gain advantage on certain checks. What would happen if you have Expertise in both Tool and Skill?

Normally, it'd just be your Expertise bonus with advantage. Personally, I wouldn't be against allowing Expertise bonus + advantage, take 10 minimum (as if you had the Reliable Talent).