Baseball discussion thread

[Storm Raven]

Zimmer: The guy was hit in the head with a pitch an knocked unconscious for two weeks and got a metal plate in his head to boot. I don't blame him for getting emotional, even if he did act inappropriately. At least he had the class to appologize. We're still waiting, Pedro.

Zimmer doesn't have a metal plate in his head. That is an urban legend.

Why should Pedro apologize? He was attacked and defended himself. Zimmer ran out looking for a fight, he got dumped. That's all. If you look for a fight, don't be surprised when your opponent defends himself.

 

[Felix]

AlphaOmega:
A World Series ring does not a Hall of Famer make. Clemens was a shoe-in for the Hall before he channeled Benedict Arnold and played for the Evil Empire of Baseball, and he hadn't won any WS rings either.

So I guess we shouldn't consider Ted Williams to be one of the best all time players of the game. Nor can we say that Kelly of the Buffalo Bills is worth a lick.

Bugger the WS rings. Yeah, it's nice to have and keep on their mantle, and it does show that they were part of a championship team, but realize there are just as many chumps out there running around with WS rings as legends.

And all this from a devoted Braves fan! Heh.

Go Marlins! Give 'em that NL East fire!

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Curse of the Zimm???

That old man got everything he deserved, and perhaps a little less . Bugger the "Curse of the Zimm".

Babe's ghost is still restless though...

I'm not condoning Zimmer's actions, but c'mon, he's 72 and has a plate in his head where he was almost KILLED by a bean ball. He's entitled to get upset when some idiot is throwing at his guys. I think what really got Zimmer riled was Pedro calmly threatening to hit people in the head, not the ball that almost got Garcia.

You gotta give old folks and children some slack. My nephew once took a swing at me, should I have thrown the five year old to the ground?

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Grrrr. Double post.

 

[AlphaOmega]

AlphaOmega:
A World Series ring does not a Hall of Famer make. Clemens was a shoe-in for the Hall before he channeled Benedict Arnold and played for the Evil Empire of Baseball, and he hadn't won any WS rings either.

So I guess we shouldn't consider Ted Williams to be one of the best all time players of the game. Nor can we say that Kelly of the Buffalo Bills is worth a lick.

Bugger the WS rings. Yeah, it's nice to have and keep on their mantle, and it does show that they were part of a championship team, but realize there are just as many chumps out there running around with WS rings as legends.

And all this from a devoted Braves fan! Heh.

Go Marlins! Give 'em that NL East fire!

if you say so... but a championship means more than something to "keep on their mantle". Why else are players busting their a$$es during spring training? You think their doing it to become legends??? Maybe in some crazy thought-process some players are thinking: "hey wouldn't my career be looked upon better if I won a championship."

when two players are compared, the number of championships each has is going to be used as criteria... Sorry to break the news to ya

for the record, go back to my post and please point out where I said or even implied a WS ring is requirement for induction to the HoF or to be considered a "great". In fact, I did say Pedro would make it. I just love it when people read only certain parts and then interrept from there randomly.

 

[Tarrasque Wrangler]

when someone utters the name of the Master I have to chime in. I know they showed the career numbers of Pedro and Sandy and they appear to be really close. But there is a noteable difference. In order to retire with "better numbers" than Koufax, Pedro needs some no-hitters like Sandy's 4. And he needs some WS rings. I believe Sandy has Pedro beat 3-0 in that department too.

It's a little hard to compare the baseball heroes of yesteryear with those of today. I've heard Sandy Koufax say that if they'd had arthroscopic surgery in his day he probably would have pitched 5 more seasons. Because of those now-routine surgeries, pitchers have a much longer shelf life in which to rack up great numbers. But I agree with the above, it's not just the raw numbers but the level of accomplishment that determines greatness. Pedro's still a young guy though, so who knows?

 

[DaveMage]

The biggest loser in the World Series will be FOX. A Boston or Chicago appearance would have increased the ratings for the series.

According to 1 study, a Chicago or Boston presence in the series would have produced a nightly 16+ rating, while the Yankees-Marlins is expected to receive a rating of only 12-13.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

According to 1 study, a Chicago or Boston presence in the series would have produced a nightly 16+ rating, while the Yankees-Marlins is expected to receive a rating of only 12-13.

I wonder, in all honesty, which dropped the rating more, the Yankees winning or Florida winning...

Oh well I can be a Florida fan for the next few weeks.

 

[Krug]

Classic:
http://www.gamespy.com/comics/dorktower/

 

[John Crichton]

when someone utters the name of the Master I have to chime in. I know they showed the career numbers of Pedro and Sandy and they appear to be really close. But there is a noteable difference. In order to retire with "better numbers" than Koufax, Pedro needs some no-hitters like Sandy's 4. And he needs some WS rings. I believe Sandy has Pedro beat 3-0 in that department too.

for the record, I believe Pedro will make the Hall of Fame maybe even on the first ballot but he is not in the same level of mystique pitchers like Koufax. Yeah, he (Pedro) will have more wins and probably more K's but he still will be missing the postseason success. And I say all this even though I'm a true Red Sox fan.

I agree that rings mean something. but not as much as you are trying to make it out to be. The numbers are still comparable which was my point. No-hitters don't figure in as much because it depends on the fielders on the team as well as the quality of pitcher. As for World Series rings, Koufax had Drysdale to help win. Pedro is the only real bankable starter on that staff.

I know that numbers do not tell the whole story and am certainly not ignorant to that fact. The fact is that when he retires the numbers will match up and possibly be even better, championships and no-hitters aside. If Pedro were to retire right now he would make the Hall. And I hate Pedro.