Battlestar Galactica 2/25/05 SPOILERS!

Kid Charlemagne said:
How many trained snipers are there in the US military? Divide the population of the US by that number - and is the number less than 50,000? I'm guessing not.

There are around 4100 sniper teams (two men per) in the total US Army (Active/Guard/Reserve, including Army SOF, though this number includes sniper elements in the institutional training base, and elements such as EOD units which use sniper rifles but do not actually perform sniper missions). USMC and USN snipers are probably significantly fewer. Maybe 10,000 sniper-trained personnel in the total US military, allowing a significant fudge factor.

Given Galactica's population, there are probably a fair number of good shots. In fact, given that they appear to have a fairly large security force (Colonial Marines, or some equivalent force), I'd guess that the security force probably has some sharpshooters who would be better than your best pilot. But hey, it's TV -- suspend a little disbelief. They aren't going to introduce SGT Hathcock, super-sniper, as a character. Easier to make it one of the regulars. Same goes for Columbo, space-interrogator.
 

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Krieg said:
Irrelevant analogy. The real question would be how many snipers there are on the USS Nimitz right now.

No, the real question is, if the Nimitz was being sent to become a museum ship, how many snipers would they have on board? Answer: None.
 

Wormwood said:
2. Baltar frantically hitting the keyboard, making those lights turn green.

(Door closes behind BOOMER's cute little...um, yeah, moving along)

BALTAR: (speaking to self) "...note to self. Next time, have Marines with guns available when testing for Cylons."

(BALTAR slumps, sighs in relief, and begins making out with SIX)

Brad
 

I still think Baltar will end up as a traitor. I just don't know when or how it will happen. I'm also kind of shocked he didn't go to Adama after he found out Sharon was a cylon. It's one thing to not tell her when he's sitting alone in front of her, and quite another to not report his findings once he's in a safer position. Of course this can all be explained by the level of control number six seems to have over his actions.
 

I'm fully expecting Baltar to either go traitor or
turn out to be a Cylon himself.
Either way, I'd be satisfied.
 

Kid Charlemagne said:
No, the real question is, if the Nimitz was being sent to become a museum ship, how many snipers would they have on board? Answer: None.
Probably. And it´s debatable if they would have one at all. The Galactica seems not to be suited for planetary assaults (except maybe with her nukes, but certainly not with armed forces). The Marines on board are for defensive purposes for a ship that has next to no possible sniper positions. (The only one coming to my mind would be the hangar...)

But it is probably still a stretch that exactly Starbuck is the best. But that´s the reality of TV...

Starbuck being used as an interrogator makes sense, since she is probably the only officer aboard that cannot perform her regular duties and thus has some spare time. The rest of the fleet is probably already taking double (or at least extended) shifts...
 

I'm not sure just what you mean by Baltar "turning traitor". I mean, it's pretty well-established he already is - just because he isn't actively doing anything about it doesn't mean he's on the Galactica's side.

After he has a chance to recover from his misstep with Boomer (all the people on her planet died in an explosion? I think we know why they call her Boomer now), he'd probably look at that as being an ace up his sleeve. If he's exposed, he has a potential flesh-and-blood ally on board. On the other hand, she doesn't know he's on her side, so its a little dangerous for him.

The bigger question is why Six pushed him to make the Cylon detector. She must have a reason, but I can't figure it out.

And I hope you're wrong, Kesh, about your second idea - I'd much rather not have that be the case
 

Kid Charlemagne said:
...And I hope you're wrong, Kesh, about your second idea - I'd much rather not have that be the case

Agree 100%. He's a despicable, deranged traitor and I like it that way.
 

Some points:

1. Starbuck is NOT a very good interrogator. She never got anything useful from Leoben (the cylon) and evidently felt sympathy for him at the end. She's a pretty lousy interrogator so we're not seeing "Super-Starbuck" here.

2. Starbuck seems to be a good shot -- and that's what they said, not "sniper". Being a sniper implies training in a lot of things beyond just putting a bullet on a target. I can easily see the kind of coordination and "instinct" required for putting a bullet where you want it being equally applicable to flying a viper and shooting a rifle. Besides, I suspect the "best shot" thing was partially justification. Starbuck wanted to act and not sit around so she used that as a justification. Adama went along with it because he felt better sending someone he knew and trusted and who he knew would watch out for his son along instead of just sending random marines.

3. The producers said somewhere or other that the Galactica was on a short crew because of the transfer and I'm pretty sure they specifically mentioned being short on marines.

4. People are forgetting that there are _two_ Adamas in the fleet: Captain Lee "Apollo" Adama and Commander William "Husker" Adama. If either is a cylon (and I don't think either is) then it could just as well be Apollo. We don't know if he was replaced somewhere along the line or if he was adopted. It could be that the Adamas couldn't have kids and adopted instead and wound up with a pint size sleeper agend by chance. Not that I believe this, of course. I think it was just an attempt at sowing dissent that appears to be working (look at how Roslin is looking at Commander Adama at the end).

5. This could be connected to #4, but nobody has commented on the dream sequence where Leoben was whispering "Cylon!" to Roslin and pointing behind her. This could be a couple of things: One is that he was calling to her as a Cylon using the word to gain her attention and pointing to her pursuers. The other is that he was saying there was a cylon behind her. The troops in the woods looked like Galactica Marines to me, so if it was the latter it could be part of why she was looking funny at Adama at the end.

6. This episode seems to have shown the first deliberate act of treason by Baltar. Prior to this, he has actually been serving loyally aside from the understandable reluctance to reveal the cylon in his head. His "betrayal" before the war was unwitting and not an deliberate. If he doesn't go to Adama, this will be his first deliberate treason. I'm rather sad to see his downfall happening. I've come to feel more and more sympathy for him as the episodes go no. I know part of that is instinctively sympathizing with someone being hounded by a religous zealot, but it's also the fact that -- until now anyway -- he has generally been trying to do help out as much as he can and generally make up for what turned out to be quite possibly the most spectacular mistake in the history of the colonies. I don't think Six wanted him to make a cylon detector. I think she was toying with him in Adama's quarters and led him to ask for a nuke and then left him hanging thinking he was going to look like a fool but he's very intelligent and he had a flash of insight that led him to actually figure out how to make a cylon detector.

As he turns actual traitor, I suspect I'll like him less.

Baltar strikes me as a good example of a high INT, low WIS character.
 

fett527 said:
Agree 100%. He's a despicable, deranged traitor and I like it that way.

I'm not seeing traitor at all, yet. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the new baltar over the the old, but he's more a man caught in the middle. Someone used his creation against his people so he could look like a traitor in their eyes, but he didn't comply with the cylons knowingly ... and the sexy cylon in his head is slowly driving him insane while feeding that fear.
 

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