Battlestar Galactica negativity

Lord Pendragon said:
Yeah, that Reginald Barkley character in particular annoyed me with his cloying perfection.
I disagree. The fact that he has an obvious flaw unlike the rest of the main Trek cast, makes him a good addition to the pristine Trek surrounding, of course it's still not enough to "dirty" up Trek, but the franchise had their moments (e.g., Deep Space Nine).
 

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Actually, I didn't watch the miniseries when it started up back in 2003 because I thought, "Oh, they're Grim N' Gritty-ing that goofy old show. That can't go far." But then I caught an episode and now it's probably my favorite show playing right now. It's not really negativity so much as a sort of moral complexity. Unless you mean the negativity in the sense that their civilization was destroyed and they're unhappy about it.

I don't know what all this is that it should have heroes. It clearly has heroes, based on which traits you emphasize. But I don't see why you should expect a show to have heroes in the epic larger-than-life sense.
 

BiggusGeekus said:
I doubt they are. The producers didn't seem to have a desire to prefect their craft.
Which is why Paramount confuzzles me by still keeping Rick Berman on their payroll and still head of the franchise. So far, only Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevens got it right on the fourth and sadly final season of Enterprise.
 

WizarDru said:
Barkley is the exception that proves the rule. He's the ONLY character with significant flaws and until Voyager, most of them were addressed. Heck, most of his flaws aren't really negative ones, per se. He's highly phobic of certain technologies (an irony for an engineer aboard a starship) and he has serious problems interacting with other people...but his flaws aren't even in the same zip code as a single BSG character. He's an ABC afterschool special, not a documentary on the Killing Fields.
Barkley's flaws were certainly negative in my opinion. He had a crippling difficulty dealing with people--especially women--and an irrational fear of certain things.

Still, that's not the main point. I agree with you that he was the only character with flaws which were that serious and that obvious. I disagree that he was the only character with flaws at all, though. Captain Picard was isolated and friendless. Captain Kirk was a womanizer, reckless, and often short-sighted. Odo was merciless and often unforgiving. Quark was a greedy coward. Rom was an idiot.

IMO the difference is in the tone of the shows themselves, not the quality of the characters' flaws. Star Trek was about optimism and rising above oneself. It was about the triumph of humanity over adversity, etc. etc. As such, the shows touch upon character flaws mostly by showing the characters triumphing over or despite them.

BSG, on the other hand, is emphasizing different themes, and approaching character flaws in a different way. Rather than showing multiple successes, as ST does, it seems to be going for multiple failures, followed up (I'm guessing) by rare monumental successes.

We'll see how it all works out. I like BSG and its take on things, but I think describing ST as a white-washed vanilla world where everyone is perfect and nobody has any problems is selling Star Trek short.

I can still recall the episode of TNG that aired immediately after Picard was made into Locutus of Borg (and subsequently restored). Everything seems all right, then he goes back to his family's home in France, and winds up kneeling in the mud, crying, his body shaking with self loathing. For my buck, that's hardly a perfect man.
RangerREG said:
I disagree. The fact that he has an obvious flaw unlike the rest of the main Trek cast, makes him a good addition to the pristine Trek surrounding, of course it's still not enough to "dirty" up Trek, but the franchise had their moments (e.g., Deep Space Nine).
I'd probably describe Trek as "bright" as opposed to "clean" but I agree that Barkley was not enough to completely alter the tone of the franchise. I mentioned him because he's the most recognizable proof that the ST crews aren't "perfect." Even so, I'm not arguing that they are morbid, depressing, or as gritty as BSG. ;)
 

Interesting how this thread started as a BSG-bashing thread and turned into a Trek (particularly TNG)-bashing thread.

I have only been able to patch the BSG miniseries from a year ago. I have no major problems with the 'dark' approach, but I'm not sure if it's really Battlestar Galactica to me. The original series was as B&W as they come, and I liked it :). Battlestar Galactica also originally had ray guns. I find this switch to some more 'realistic' weaponry distracting.
 

johnsemlak said:
Interesting how this thread started as a BSG-bashing thread and turned into a Trek (particularly TNG)-bashing thread.
I was so hoping this wouldn't turn into a BSG vs. Trek debate. After all, Ron D. Moore penned for both franchises (including two Trek series: TNG and DS9).

BTW, despite the recent elements of prophecies, visions, and going on a quest to find the legendary birthplace, this BSG isn't some biblical-flavored story. IOW, it's far from being as clean as the original BSG and all other "plastic white" sci-fi series.
 
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The depressed feeling of the show (BSG) is done a little to harshly. It would be nice to feel that they have a snow balls chance of getting out from undert he Cyclons, but I understand or think I get that the show is about getting humanity back on to the trek of being the best that they can through the survival of the worst times.

Just my $.02
 

johnsemlak said:
I find this switch to some more 'realistic' weaponry distracting.

I dunno...I like the fact the weapons shoot hot lead (or the BSG equivalent) as opposed to the now cliche' laser/blaster/phaser weapons in sci-fi. It's a "the more things change the more they stay the same" approach I find a bit refreshing. Aside from the FTL drive, they're not that much more advanced than we are.
 

While I agree that it does have an "modern day" feel to it, I do want to note that artificial gravity and inertial dampening (or however they overcome inertia) is pretty amazingly advanced, too.
 

Fast Learner said:
While I agree that it does have an "modern day" feel to it, I do want to note that artificial gravity and inertial dampening (or however they overcome inertia) is pretty amazingly advanced, too.

Oh, that's all just fancy magnetic boots and shock absorbers. :p

Just so my post isn't misconstrued, I absolutely love the new Battlestar Galactica.
 

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