BattleStar Galactica S2/E7 08.26.05

[Rodrigo Istalindir]

Yeah... Didn't he ask that when Galactica-Boomer was already dead?

When he was standing over the corpse in the morgue. Either a bad continuity error, or a bad omen for the colonists....

 

[Safana Cain]

See, that's why it's creepy, and why the "surprise" chords played and everything. It means she hears things even when she's dead.

I kinda get sick of the way the Cylons demand respect and rights after committing genocide. "Oh gosh, you murdered most of my species and then shot me twice in the stomach? You're right, I was overreacting when I said I wanted you to die."

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

See, that's why it's creepy, and why the "surprise" chords played and everything. It means she hears things even when she's dead.

I kinda get sick of the way the Cylons demand respect and rights after committing genocide. "Oh gosh, you murdered most of my species and then shot me twice in the stomach? You're right, I was overreacting when I said I wanted you to die."

Though we all now the only reason for Adama choking Boomer was the latter part - he didn´t choke Leoben when they captured him... This was personal.


I don´t think Galactica Boomer will ever become a 7 of 9 clone - the Galactica crew will never trust her the way the Voyager crew (and especially Janeway) trusted 7 of 9.

 

[Jarrod]

I think Sharon is exactly where she wants to be, and that is near Helo. I don't think we should expect all of the Cylons to have the same agenda, and Sharon-C is definitely one with her own. She might even be trying to get the humans and Cylons back together; "if only they understood" and so on.

They've talked about the 12 models having a particular personality imprint. I think Sharon is "the mother" - protective of "her man" and her child-to-be. The best place for Helo was off Caprica, and so they went. I have the feeling she stole the Raider because otherwise she would have been left behind by Starbuck. Using the troop ship meant that she came along - after all, she's the pilot and the person who stole it. Then she helped on Kobol because it meant she a) wasn't killed and b) came along. She forced the issue with "Mr. Evil Second" to keep Adama from killing her.

Poor Chief. Does she remember everything, or not? She was kinda vague

 

[Rykion]

The whole Baltar/Six baby plot line going on indicates that Sharon is not deviating from Cylon plans. They knew she would escape and go back to the fleet. It was probably planned by the Cylons all along. This Sharon might not realize it anymore than the one that had been on Galactica, but she is still operating as intended.

I also found it hard to believe that Helo is so love blind that he feels the killing of the Galactica Sharon unwarranted. She was part of a military that killed millions or billions of people. She walked up and put two rounds in Adama. The only suprise is that her killer got anytime in the brig at all. If Helo can't see that the only "crime" was that they were unable to get information out of the Galactica Sharon before she died, he is too dangerous to be allowed military duty.

 

[Belen]

I think that Sharon does remember everything, including what Adama said to her in the morgue. She made the comment "you asked me why?"

I think it is telling that the 12 colonies used to fly flags that were the constellations as they appeared on Earth and that they originally carried the Earth names for the constellations. It gives credence to the theory that Kobol was colonized by Earth.

 

[mmu1]

I also found it hard to believe that Helo is so love blind that he feels the killing of the Galactica Sharon unwarranted. She was part of a military that killed millions or billions of people. She walked up and put two rounds in Adama. The only suprise is that her killer got anytime in the brig at all. If Helo can't see that the only "crime" was that they were unable to get information out of the Galactica Sharon before she died, he is too dangerous to be allowed military duty.

I find that to be perfectly reasonable. Halo - unlike most other people - can no longer help but think of Sharon as a person, and people - even members of genocidal militaries, or those guilty of attempted murder - are not executed without a trial... Especially in a place as absurdly touchy-feely (given the desperate situation) as the remnants of the colonial fleet have been.

Everyone else - Roslyn, Adama, Apollo - have so far been completely iraational in pretending the Cylons are "just machines", when the fact that (at least some of them) are living, thinking, feeling creatures is staring them in the face and the only reason for arguing they're not is metaphysical/religious.

I wouldn't look down on them for deciding to execute Cylons anyway for what they've done to the colonies, but the arguments they've been using to justify shoving them out of airlocks or torturing them have been a bunch of hypocritical crap.

 

[Fast Learner]

I think that Sharon does remember everything, including what Adama said to her in the morgue. She made the comment "you asked me why?"

I'm pretty sure the quote was "And you ask why," which has the important difference of not having the word "me" in it, and being in the present tense. This leaves it much more vague, as it's reasonable for the Cylons to assume that Adama is asking "why" about a lot of things. Even though it's pretty clear she's referring to the morgue scene, it's left much more vague.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Everyone else - Roslyn, Adama, Apollo - have so far been completely iraational in pretending the Cylons are "just machines", when the fact that (at least some of them) are living, thinking, feeling creatures is staring them in the face and the only reason for arguing they're not is metaphysical/religious.

I wouldn't look down on them for deciding to execute Cylons anyway for what they've done to the colonies, but the arguments they've been using to justify shoving them out of airlocks or torturing them have been a bunch of hypocritical crap.

But are they still going according to programming or are they actual thinking machines? Is it possible thier programming is so advanced that they are indistinguishable from people unless you give them some kind of Voight-Kampff test? In any event that is one thing I like about the President, she knows how to handle Cylons...you fire them out the airlock. It's not like you are killing an individual you are only deactivating one of the vessels of some kind of group machine consciousness. And the time for worring about the "rights" or whatever of a bio-machine synthezoid creature died in the nuclear attack on the colonies. I'm sure once they get off the constant edge of extinction they will have more ability to consider the morality of spacing Cylons.

P.S. Helo is an idiot and I'm at the point where I hope he discovers how totally he's been played along and manipulated before he is killed.

 

[wingsandsword]

I think it is telling that the 12 colonies used to fly flags that were the constellations as they appeared on Earth and that they originally carried the Earth names for the constellations. It gives credence to the theory that Kobol was colonized by Earth.

I've suspected for some time that, that Earth is the original homeworld, they left for Kobol, then left Kobol for the 12 colonies (and maybe a return to Earth as well). The idea that the flags of the 12 colonies were based on constellations visible from Earth as well as using the unaltered Earth names. The colonies themselves only being 3,000 years since the evacuation of Kobol was a clue (humans from Kobol to Earth would have arrived well into recorded history, instead of founding human history), and that RDM has acknowledged that while trying to be true to modern science with New BSG, our evidence shows that humans evolved on Earth.

The idea that BSG could somehow be a far-future of us is intriguing I think. That the colonial "gods" were human leaders who were named after (or took the names of) the Greek gods (instead of the assumption in original BSG that space travellers of those names inspired the Greek/Egyptian/ect gods). Not wanting to go too far afield into religion, that puts the Cylons monotheism into a different light, especially since C-Boomer did just they say they know human religion better than the humans do. (One true god, Be fruitful, not worship false idols, they don't say it by name but the Cylon beliefs appear to be vaguely rooted in the Abrahamic tradition certainly)

It's always seemed to me that the Cylons want the prophecy to come true. It wouldn't have begun if they didn't bomb the colonies, they could have an entire fleet waiting at Kobol to ensure they couldn't reach the Tomb but they didn't. They're chasing the colonists, herding them, they want to reach Earth too. The idea in original BSG was that they wanted to wipe out Earth to kill all remaining humans, but I think these Cylons are just looking for humans who share their beliefs, and trying in some long-term fashion to put an end to their polytheistic beliefs and convert them.

Oh, and as a side note, with this episode and Baltar's brain-scan, since Cylons have communications technology that apparently eludes normal Colonial technology (like how the humanoid Cylons download their minds at death), a "chip" in Baltars brain could easily be undetectable by anything Dr. Cottle has to search with if those scans can't tell the difference between a Humanoid Cylon and a Human.