BattleStar Galactica S2/E7 08.26.05

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

I think they should use Boomer as a lab rat.

But if they do that, then how are they any different from the Cylons, themselves?

 

[WizarDru]

I think they should use Boomer as a lab rat.

I think they will...and how better to get Baltar closer to her? The real question is...what will happen? We're being given lots of talk about 'the baby'...who is only a few weeks old at this point. If Roslin's disease proceeds apace, she'll be dead before the baby is born (unless the baby is even less normal than supposed, and is born sooner). However, I rather suspected that the whole baby arc would become much more prominent before then, so I'm not sure what will happen.

I don't think the show NEEDS shots outside of the fleet...but it definitely needs shots outside of Galactica. I'll wait and see what develops.

 

[WizarDru]

But if they do that, then how are they any different from the Cylons, themselves?

Who says they are? I think the cylons are much more human-like than either side likes to admit. Frankly, the cylons haven't done anything more hideous to mankind than mankind has done to itself. That was Six's point on Kobol (although she was twisting logic as part of that rant); we already have the Sagittaron conflict and inter-colonial strife as part of the colonies' recent past. While we don't have descriptions of Killing Fields, it's hardly a stretch to believe that, across 12 planets, there weren't some terrible attrocities over the past 3000 years. Remember, the colonies only unified because of one thing....the Cylons.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

But if they do that, then how are they any different from the Cylons, themselves?

The cylons aren't individuals, even the Human models. They are group linked. The Cylon says she isn't linked to the other Cylons when the Pres is talking to her, but then the one from Caprica says she remembers her relationship with the Chief didn't she? So I would guess they are linked. So you aren't killing anyone, just one of the many Sharon Units that are apparently part of a group mind. And in any event if it enables them to find out who is a Toaster on the fleet then "morals" be damned. It's a state of emergency with all the marbles on the line.

 

[Fast Learner]

There's no reason to believe that Roslin will die on schedule, I don't think: she's taking the drug to treat the cancer, not for the heck of it (and the visions).

 

[WizarDru]

There's no reason to believe that Roslin will die on schedule, I don't think: she's taking the drug to treat the cancer, not for the heck of it (and the visions).

No, she's taking the drug to dull the symptoms. It has been stated unequivocably more than once that the cancer is untreatable. The kamala root she's been taking is to mask the problems and the pain from the public. A bed-ridden President is not what she wanted to present in a time of crisis, not unlike FDR during WWII.

At the moment, there's no reason to believe Roslin WON'T die on schedule. Though I wouldn't be suprised if they discovered that something had changed. The trick is this: if the prophecy is true, she has to be dying. If the baby is born after nine months, she should be dead or on death's door, at best. Has she already fulfilled her part of the prophecy? Does she have to survive the journey to earth, or is the prophecy (like most prophecies) vague?

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

The trick is this: if the prophecy is true, she has to be dying. If the baby is born after nine months, she should be dead or on death's door, at best. Has she already fulfilled her part of the prophecy? Does she have to survive the journey to earth, or is the prophecy (like most prophecies) vague?

From Hand of God Season 1 Episode 10:
One of the oracles, in the sacred scrolls. 3,600 years ago, Pythia wrote about the exile and the rebirth of a human race. And the lords anointed a leader to guide the caravan of the heavens to their new homeland and unto the leader they gave a vision of serpents, numbering two and ten, as a sign of things to come.

She also wrote that the leader suffered a wasting disease and would not live to enter the new land. But you're not dying... are you?

That says to me she does not have to survive the journey.

It also does not say specifically that the leader has to be dying at the time of the visions. There is still time for Adama to develop a wasting disease of his own which would kill him before he sets foot upon Earth.

Heh, plot twist - Roslin is cured and suddenly people think she just made up the whole prophet thing for her own advantage.

 

[WizarDru]

Heh, plot twist - Roslin is cured and suddenly people think she just made up the whole prophet thing for her own advantage.

Which may happen...but Doc Cottle has the medical records and his own personal examination to prove it. I'm willing to bet that some folks have gotten access to the records, even if Cottle wasn't willing to talk.

I still believe that the writers will never give conclusive proof on much of this; if someone makes a prediction and it comes true...does that make the prediction valid? The prophecy (like most such predictions) is very vague and easily interpeted to match a situation. Adama already has been 'dying', for example...does that count for the prophecy? Likely not, but the vagueness makes it plausible, if not believable.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Who says they are?

The Colonials do, which is my point.

By now, they should have a good idea that these Cylons are much, much more than simply toasters. The fact that they're STILL treating them like that(Boomer, in particular) is something I can't see doing them any good at all. While I do believe that the Cylons plan to eliminate humanity as a whole, I still think there's a lot more to it. One thing I think definitely needs to be addressed is the fact that the Cylons are NOT walking toasters, and are much, much more complex than that.

Treating Boomer like a lab rat will only encourage the attitude that the Cylons are simple machines, and that will just distort anything they might actually be able to LEARN about her and the Cylons.

 

[Storm Raven]

That says to me she does not have to survive the journey.

Yep. Anyone notice the Moses connection here? To be true to that inspiration, then Roslin would be the dying leader Moses, and Adama would be the warlike Joshua.