Benefit of having 2 Ring of Wizardry of the same level?

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Ah yes, I'd somehow forgotten that we were talking about a Sorcerer.

For a Sorcerer, I agree that the Ring is better. It's +50% more effective, and the item slot is worth losing for the ability to blow all your spells in a single encounter.

They should rename it the Ring of Sorcery.

Cheers, -- N

But that would collide with my proposed Ring of Sorcery, that grants you an extra spell known!
The rings are named after the class that wants the effects most (wizards want more spells per day, while Sorcerors want more spells known!)

I think the Dusklbades benefits even more from the item then a Sorceror.

I think they will not stack due to the "same-source" rule. (That might be wrong and is not a decision based on "overpoweredness")

 

[Gothic_Demon]

I don't mean to derail the thread or anything, but this seemed like a perfect place to post the question:

I have a Duskblade/Wizard/Ultimate Magus. Does the Ring of Wizardry double both my arcane spells per day totals, or just one?

 

[frankthedm]

Still, the ring is usefull for someone do not prepare spells.

And someone will use that to claim that as more evidence that "WotC Hates Sorcerers" .

Pearls only let you recall what was cast. That burns an action and means you can have extras of what you did already prepare. Thus if you might want more than one casting of a given spell, you have to prepare it twice {costing flexibility} or spend an action getting it back {costing an action}.

 

[Thurbane]

I don't mean to derail the thread or anything, but this seemed like a perfect place to post the question:

I have a Duskblade/Wizard/Ultimate Magus. Does the Ring of Wizardry double both my arcane spells per day totals, or just one?

I'd be inclined to say only one, but I can't really back that up with RAW. For balance reasons, in any game I ran it would definitely be only one.

It depends on your definition of "one specific spell level"...

 

[Kmart Kommando]

Works on both, as long as they are both arcane spells, and are of whatever level the ring doubles. So, your Duskblade/Wizard with 2 Rings of Wizardry I would be sporting triple 1st level spells for both classes. Sadly, you'd probably be far below par going that route.

 

[Shin Okada]

Works on both, as long as they are both arcane spells, and are of whatever level the ring doubles. So, your Duskblade/Wizard with 2 Rings of Wizardry I would be sporting triple 1st level spells for both classes. Sadly, you'd probably be far below par going that route.

Ultimate Magus (Complete Mage), maybe?

 

[Gothic_Demon]

Ultimate Magus (Complete Mage), maybe?

Current build is Wizard 1/Elf Paragon 3/Duskblade 1/Ultimate Magus 3, and I've 20k gp or so for items and the like. I figured that the boost would be worth having if it affected both sets of spells. I already guessed it would, but I thought I'd see what everyone else thought.

 

[Merlin the Tuna]

That is true. Actually, a pile of "Pearl of Power" is much effective for wizards. Pearl of Power I is only 1,000gp while Ring of Wizardly I costs 20,000gp. Who has 20 "base" spells per day for even level 1 spells? Still, the ring is usefull for someone do not prepare spells.

Pearls of Power allow you to recall a spell you've already cast -- you're getting the same 4 spells twice rather than getting 8 different spells like you could with the ring. The ring's still overpriced, but it does provide that theoretical benefit.

 

[Nifft]

Pearls of Power allow you to recall a spell you've already cast -- you're getting the same 4 spells twice rather than getting 8 different spells like you could with the ring. The ring's still overpriced, but it does provide that theoretical benefit.

That's a six vs. half-dozen issue, though. What if you need five fireballs today? If you didn't know to fill your extra four slots with fireball, all your extra slots would mean is more wasted spells.

Pearls = more tactical flexibility, managed over multiple fights; ring = less flexibility, but expendable within a single fight.

Cheers, -- N

 

[Gothic_Demon]

That's a six vs. half-dozen issue, though. What if you need five fireballs today? If you didn't know to fill your extra four slots with fireball, all your extra slots would mean is more wasted spells.

Pearls = more tactical flexibility, managed over multiple fights; ring = less flexibility, but expendable within a single fight.

The pearls would provide longevity in the form of doubling up your spell selection for the day, but they lack the flexibility of a ring, which provides you with double your spell slots. For every instance of "I wish I had another fireball" I can think of two "I wish I had Lightning Bolt/Dispel Magic/Summon Monster/Fly/Haste as well" moments.

Not that pearls are bad, I just think they promote longevity of adventuring, especially for sorcerers with their limited spell list; but for wizards and their extremely flexible spell choices, the ring offers a tactical flexibility the pearls can't provide.