D&D General BG 1,2, DiA?

Zardnaar

Legend
So there's a 75% off sale on the enhanced BG 1&2 games on ps4/5. Worth buying at around $20 usd/playable? Wife can play it on ps5 and I can do ps4 (she has a portal).

Local gamestore just got in 4 or 5 copies of Descent into Avernus. I've heard the adventure is bad/mediocre but it's looking good for a source book as I had a quick read. Current game is heading to BG.

Buying advice?
 

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MarkB

Legend
So there's a 75% off sale on the enhanced BG 1&2 games on ps4/5. Worth buying at around $20 usd/playable? Wife can play it on ps5 and I can do ps4 (she has a portal).
Certainly should be playable, but if you're looking for something that references the city, note that only BG1 spends any time there.
Local gamestore just got in 4 or 5 copies of Descent into Avernus. I've heard the adventure is bad/mediocre but it's looking good for a source book as I had a quick read. Current game is heading to BG.

Buying advice?
I'm playing in a DiA campaign but haven't read the book. It has a decent city map and a few fleshed-out characters, but only a small fraction of the game takes place there.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Certainly should be playable, but if you're looking for something that references the city, note that only BG1 spends any time there.

I'm playing in a DiA campaign but haven't read the book. It has a decent city map and a few fleshed-out characters, but only a small fraction of the game takes place there.

Not to worried about spending time there. More yat fun/useful.

Never played BG 1 or 2.
 


mellored

Legend
If you liked BG3, and don't mind reading, then you will like BG 1 and 2.

Planescape Torment is also top quality.

Neverwinter knights is not quite as good, but still worthwhile. There is a huge library of home brew adventures though. It was kind of a virtual table top.

And while not D&D, the Fallout 1&2 are also good cRPGs.
 

At that price I'd say it's an easy yes, as long as you can deal with the old AD&D 2e rules and the simple presentation by modern standards. There's lots of content and their reputation as classics are well earned. You should know that these two games actually have some big differences between them. So if the BG1 doesn't quite work for you, I'd still recommend trying BG2. BG1 is almost an open world game. Most of the world is open to you at the start and there's a big emphasis on exploration. The story is relegated mostly to the background. The story is interesting once it all comes together, it's just not the focus of the game. BG2 is a more linear and tightly crafted experience, with a much greater emphasis on the story. Your companions in particular are a much bigger deal than the first game.

Playing on a controller has some pluses and minuses. The game was designed to work with mouse and keyboard, so getting it to work on a controller requires a fairly complicated ui. There's a bit of a learning curve to it, but once you get it perfected, I found it works with the controller almost as well as the original mouse and keyboard. On the plus side, you can directly control your party's movement with the left analog stick outside of combat. When doing this your party snaps to their positions in formation, speeding up significantly if they get blocked by terrain. This actually solves some to the bad pathfinding problems in the game. This feature alone makes me prefer it to the mouse and keyboard.

Don't hesitate to lower the difficulty if you find it overly difficult. These games can be pretty hard at first. You can easily die to the first enemy encounter on core rules difficulty, and it remains difficult until you really understand all the systems and options available to you. I recommend pausing often in this game, it really plays best if you treat it more like a turned based system. Trying to play it in real time is almost impossible, unless you lower the difficulty to the lowest setting.
 


Bacon Bits

Legend
So there's a 75% off sale on the enhanced BG 1&2 games on ps4/5. Worth buying at around $20 usd/playable? Wife can play it on ps5 and I can do ps4 (she has a portal).

They're dated but classic PC CRPGs. If you've played any of Larian's Divinity CRPGs, then they'll be similar. It's the same engine as Icewind Dale and Planescape Torment, too. The Enhanced Editions were fairly well received from my memory.

I don't know how easy they are to play on console. They were originally PC only games.

You can transfer characters from BG1 to BG2, however, so I would suggest that you plan accordingly.

Local gamestore just got in 4 or 5 copies of Descent into Avernus. I've heard the adventure is bad/mediocre but it's looking good for a source book as I had a quick read. Current game is heading to BG.

Buying advice?

The adventure is ok. It's kinda rail-roady, IMO. And there's a hostile spellcaster early on that the PCs encounter before level 3 that can cast fireball twice. Which is... rather a careless design. The encounters in Avernus are fun enough and interesting by themselves. The overall plot was kind of dull to me.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
At that price I'd say it's an easy yes, as long as you can deal with the old AD&D 2e rules and the simple presentation by modern standards. There's lots of content and their reputation as classics are well earned. You should know that these two games actually have some big differences between them. So if the BG1 doesn't quite work for you, I'd still recommend trying BG2. BG1 is almost an open world game. Most of the world is open to you at the start and there's a big emphasis on exploration. The story is relegated mostly to the background. The story is interesting once it all comes together, it's just not the focus of the game. BG2 is a more linear and tightly crafted experience, with a much greater emphasis on the story. Your companions in particular are a much bigger deal than the first game.

Playing on a controller has some pluses and minuses. The game was designed to work with mouse and keyboard, so getting it to work on a controller requires a fairly complicated ui. There's a bit of a learning curve to it, but once you get it perfected, I found it works with the controller almost as well as the original mouse and keyboard. On the plus side, you can directly control your party's movement with the left analog stick outside of combat. When doing this your party snaps to their positions in formation, speeding up significantly if they get blocked by terrain. This actually solves some to the bad pathfinding problems in the game. This feature alone makes me prefer it to the mouse and keyboard.

Don't hesitate to lower the difficulty if you find it overly difficult. These games can be pretty hard at first. You can easily die to the first enemy encounter on core rules difficulty, and it remains difficult until you really understand all the systems and options available to you. I recommend pausing often in this game, it really plays best if you treat it more like a turned based system. Trying to play it in real time is almost impossible, unless you lower the difficulty to the lowest setting.

Still play 2E occasionally;)
 

jayoungr

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Local gamestore just got in 4 or 5 copies of Descent into Avernus. I've heard the adventure is bad/mediocre but it's looking good for a source book as I had a quick read.
I'm running DiA right now and enjoying it. If the amount of material in the book looks useful, you could do worse. Depending on your party's level, you might even be able to repurpose one of the dungeons.
 

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