Blindness

[Eternal54]

I need help with a ruling. When a character is blind, they recieve a -2 to attack rolls, however to hit an invisible creature you get a -5. Wouldn't being blind effectively leave all others invisible?

Some one please help clear these status changes up for me as it is driving my play group crazy, lol. Thanks.

 

[UltimaGabe]

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the -5 to invisible opponents only applies to melee and ranged attacks- so when using a melee or ranged attack while blind, you'd suffer a -5, but if using a burst or blast, you'd only suffer a -2.

 

[abyssaldeath]

Where are you getting -2 from? When you are blinded your targets have Total Concealment and that is a -5.

 

[Flipguarder]

Yeah.... in 4e invisibility means you aren't invisible. But it has a whole lot of other cool stuff.

 

[Obryn]

Where are you getting -2 from? When you are blinded your targets have Total Concealment and that is a -5.

I don't know where the -2 is coming from, either.

Total Concealment gives you -5 to-hit on melee and ranged attacks. I didn't think there was a penalty for area or close attacks.

-O

 

[Eternal54]

I see, i think i may have misunderstood then.

So to clarify, when a creature is blind, he takes a -5 to attacks on all creatures.

While a creature with Invis, gets a "+5 to all defenses" from all creatures that cant see it?

 

[Nytmare]

So to clarify, when a creature is blind, he takes a -5 to attacks on all creatures.

While a creature with Invis, gets a "+5 to all defenses" from all creatures that cant see it?

And when a creature is invisible, IF its opponents can figure out what square to attack, then those opponents have a -5 to attack it.

 

[Eternal54]

Awesome, I uderstand it now. Thank you everyone.

On a side note, if an enemy is blind AND I'm invis, do the negatives stack? Would the blinded enemy get a -10 to attack or does it remain at -5?

 

[Nytmare]

Awesome, I uderstand it now. Thank you everyone.

On a side note, if an enemy is blind AND I'm invis, do the negatives stack? Would the blinded enemy get a -10 to attack or does it remain at -5?

Both of them grant Total Concealment, so the net effect is only -5.

 

[Flipguarder]

And when a creature is invisible, IF its opponents can figure out what square to attack, then those opponents have a -5 to attack it.

Just to clarify. The opponent automatically KNOWS where the invisible creature is unless it stealths.