Blood and Boobies =! Vile, Evil, Horror ?

[dema]

Well, I disagree.

Boobies, Blood, Gore, Sex, Rape, Cold Blooded Psychotic Murder, etc do equal vile evil. After nights of watching B class movies of girls in bras running around in dark places, I say this is horror.

It's not the classic suductive horror, but it's pulpish horror, and the kind of evil that flows easily.

Ofcourse there are different takes on evil and horror and such.

I just saw Brotherhood of the Wolf again, and I would say it's vile evil. Bobbies were present, and the villians were vile, blood was abundant. That is my idea of horror (at least one type.)


anyway, thoughts? on boobies and blood?

No offense to the ladies.

 

[Darkness]

I think it mainly depends on how, and how much.

That goes for blood, breasts, vulgarity, fear, or whatever.

In horror, less is often more - but not always, of course (Splatterpunk is a valid mode, too, but not always easy to pull off in an RPG).

 

[Painfully]

I think the people that are most interested in using "blood & boobies" are already using it--they hardly need Monte Cook or anybody else to push them in that direction. It is a fad that will pass once they realize a double D-cup breasted medusa is just as hard to kill as a C-cup breasted medusa.

And unless they are using Hollywood style models or props, I just don't see it getting out of hand at the gaming table.

YMMV

 

[Ulrick]

...It is a fad that will pass once they realize a double D-cup breasted medusa is just as hard to kill as a C-cup breasted medusa.

...

No. No. No.

A DD-cup breasted medusa is easier to kill because there a greater chance that you're not looking at her face...

*BA-DUM-BUM CHING*



Ulrick

 

[Dragongirl]

:: Glares around and adds names to her list. ::

 

[Ulrick]

:: Glares around and adds names to her list. ::

What kind of list would that be?

Am I on that list? Come on. Tell me.

Ulrick

 

[Dr. Zauberei]

What?

Boobies are evil? But . . . I like the boobies . . .




Sorry for the above, while I do consider nudity in art something for the mature, I do not equate nudity with horror or evil. Yes there is often gratuitous nudity in slasher/horror flicks and that is often immature IMO, but nudity is not a requirement for evil/horror and neither is it necessarily indicative of evil/horror.

I think that the nudity, and the gore, in The Book of Vile Darkness (and in Dragon #300 and Dungeon #95) was maturely and tastefully done . . . and vile. Not over the top, but the tone was truly vile. Which was the point.

Tracy Hickman's defense of his earlier rant to me is just as bad. He implies that the WotC products in question are puerile and depend on the "blood and boobies" factor to sell the book. I know Tracy got his copy of Dragon #300 in the mail, but did he read it? Has he read through the Book of Vile Darkness? I don't get the impression that he has. I personally don't find these products puerile and I feel somewhat slighted by one of my favorite fantasy writers when he implies I am successfully wooed by the "blood & boobies" and not by the mature themes of the BoVD.

I guess that's my little rant.

Oh, one last thing . . . doesn't "Blood & Boobies" kinda sound like a new d20 game . . .

 

[AuroraGyps]

I think it mainly depends on how, and how much.

I totally agree. It's not so much the blood and nudity, it's how they get in the story. I'm so trying not to sound like some actress that says, "I won't do nude scenes unless they're conducive to the plot," because that's not what I mean either. I mean, to have women running around with their boobs hanging out "just because" is dumb, but if it fits in with the story, (say, a succubus trying to lure a warrior or a rogue breaking in on someone while they're otherwise occupied) then it's a logical thing that you might see something.

And while gore and violence aren't very funny, sometimes nudity can be a funny thing. I mean, boobs can be funny (and I say this as someone who has boobs) and so can some other parts of anatomy when they "pop up" in a story. Ya know, it all depends on the situation between the players & and characters, but sometimes... it's almost vaudevillian.

Lastly, I have to mention that our group actually used the term "Evil Boobies" often AND had hand gestures to go with it. With both hands up, you wiggle your fingers (kinda a "Booga, Booga" gesture from childhood) and say "evil", then stop the wiggling and move hands foward while rotating your wrists a bit (you know the move). We used it for evil woman characters," Wow, that succubus had such evil boobies... I was almost toast," and in house jokes.

 

[Gez]

Burn the Witches

Yes, boobies are evil ! Vile evil ! Vilissimo vile evil ! That's because women are evil ! Because they're women ! They're temptresses ! They tempt with their boobies ! Hide these boobies that I shall not see ! Hide'em beneath a burqa ! Burn these witches !

I let those with a brain still working guess what's the most evil (and profoundly immature), milk glands or the kind of people who seriously keep claims like the italicized above.

Sorry for the troll, but I just dislike when people confuse something and abuse of that thing. Reading someone equating boobies, blood, and sex with rape, gore, and murder is just a bit over-the-top. So my birth (and thus my life) is the result of an act as vile as insane rape and murder ? I suckled evil when I was a baby ? I have about 5 liters of liquid evil flowing through my body ?

That's an original manichean* vision of the world, heavily tainted with mysogyny as well.

(* Manicheism originally was "all that is material is evil", including life and all the pleasures life gives.)

 

[Hand of Evil]

This post shows my age and I maybe moving into the old fart age of my life.

Yes, I do think there are things that can be defined as evil and by their nature be vile, boobies are NOT one of them.

Nudity in horror is nothing new and it really a fear, it is playing on that fear. It is a visualization of being exposed, well that was what it was about in the old days, today it may be to give teens a cheep thrill.

Horror is about building up the unknown, about devoloping a fear and feeding off it. Gore is not horror, it is a visual to make you squirm, that is why you see more and more of it in horror movies, you become use to it.

It is like when a guy is hit below the belt, you rarely saw it 20 years ago, now it is in everything and every guy who saw it back then would feel it, now it is laughed at!

Being evil and vile are things that we can become accustom to. That we can be conditioned to accept as everyday events.