Bo9S
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kenmarable
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I would definite say no (though I'm looking through the FAQ and Sage Advice for an official ruling). That's a very broad interpretation of the rules. Just because it doesn't explicitly state "you can't leave feat slots open" doesn't mean it's legal to do so. Besides, no where in the rules does it mention "feat slots" I believe. Just at x level, you get a feat. No "slots", just as part of leveling, pick a feat. Seems awful clear to me although I suppose it isn't explicitly printed "when you level, you have to roll your hit points, add your bonuses, spend skill points, etc. and you can't wait until later." but it seems pretty clearly implied. Waiting to take feats until you qualify for higher powered ones does seem to violate the spirit, if not the letter, of the rules. The rules seem to pretty clearly imply - when you level, you do all of you leveling.Scribble said:
That's one thing about Bo9S. If you bend the rules just a little (not keeping track of prerequisites, using a standard action maneuver with multiple attacks, allowing a single maneuver to be readied more than once, etc.), then Bo9S gets broken real fast. But keeping track of those things that are normally pretty minor, really reigns in the martial adepts a lot.
It's amazing what a little rule tweak can do with these characters. For example, I know when Sage Advice stated that you can't use White Raven Tactics on yourself, 80% of the "broken builds" out there were no longer possible. One small rule tweak/clarification, and dozens of builds were nerfed and returned to the world of balance.
So, if you stick to the rules as written, even what seem like minor ones, then it's much harder to exploit Bo9S and make super damage machines.
Scribble
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kenmarable said:
I don't see why?
You're voluntarily foregoing any bonus at all for that level in favor of a greater reward later on down the line.
The rules also say if you are using a magic item to give you an ability score that meets a prereq you can still buy the feat. If you cease wearing the item, the feat becomes "inactive" until your ability again reaches the prereq... So why couldn't you take the feat, and not use it until your prereq is met?
I don't see it as a "cheap shot" because you are paying a price. (Not having any usable feat for a while)
That's true of most books and rules. If you don't keep track of the payments, then they don't effect th outcome.
The above wouldn't be bending the ruls at all, but breaking them... Two standard actions do not = a full round action.
But I don't understand why a single maneuver can't be readied more then once?
But again, that maneuver says one ally... That pretty clearly implies you choose someone. That one I can fully see as it clearly states you choose an ally, and not yourself.
I agree, and say again thats true of all books/builds.
I just don't see waiting to take a feat (or taking it and not using it) as an exploit, since you're foregoing a reward for a later point. (and technically paying a price.)
Then I'd recommend to houserule it.Scribble said:
How do you feel about unspent skill points?Scribble said:
My level 1 fighter simply doesn't have any interesting class skills to spend the points on, so I'll just keep them unspent. When I then take a rogue level, I'll have more skill points to spent on interesting class skills.
Probably, because it's not covered by the rules. As I mentioned above, if you don't think it's unbalancing, you're free to allow it in your game.Scribble said:
I'd like to point out that a character starting at a higher level will not pay that price if the higher level allows him to start play fulfilling the prerequistites.Scribble said:
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Arkhandus
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Scribble said:
That way lies madness. Like 21st-level characters starting play with ALL epic feats in their feat slots or similar.
Also, it's just plain wrong.
PHB, feats chapter, 1st page "Unlike a skill, a feat has no ranks. A character either has the feat or does not."
"Some feats have prerequisites. You must have the listed ability score, feat, skill, or base attack bonus in order to select or use that feat." (emphasis mine)
And there's nothing in the rules saying you can delay picking your feats.
Little Edit: And here's the same section in the 3.5 SRD
3.5 SRD said:
Nifft
Penguin Herder
I must have missed all those posts where you played this guy from 1st to 3rd level.Scribble said:
It looks to me (from the outside, not having seen all those posts) like you just built a 3rd level guy, paid no "price", and want a way to circumvent a prerequisite.
Take a look at the PHB-II retraining rules. That should clear up when you're allowed to take feats etc.
Cheers, -- N
Arkhandus
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Scribble said:
That's because the magic item allows you to meet the prerequisite at the time you select the feat. And as noted in the rules, you lose the use of a feat once you cease to meet its prerequisites. So once you lose the magic item or take it off, you cannot use the feat anymore until you meet the prerequisites again or get that magic item back for the same purpose.
You still had to be of sufficient skill or ability in order to train and learn the feat in-character at the time you took the feat. Once your prowess or strength or whatever diminishes from removing the magic doohickey that augmented it before, you find you just don't have the strength, accuracy, finesse, or smarts to do that kind of thing anymore.
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