Book of Vile Darkness is really unnecessary...

Not only do I heartily agree with those who have said that the tagline given out is probably incredibly inaccurate (as does Monte Cook, who wrote the book) but I think the idea of D&D getting into the media spotlight again is unlikely in the extreme. That era is over forever, except for a very few (relatively) folks who don't want to let it go. And those folks are still quoting 1e or older. I'd be surprised if much of anyone besides existing hobbyists even know anything at all about The Book of Vile Darkness.
 

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I can see a place for evil prestige classes that believe in human sacrifices, killing animals to gain power, and bloodletting (sp?). It's hard to have an evil society without something evil for them to do. The modules I've seen so far simply don't have an overpowering "evil" feeling to them. Not even the bloated RttToEE module really registered on my "evil" radar.

If I want evil, I think I can cook it up without much help. Giants that eat human babies as treats, orcs that rage into a frenzy to pillage and rape human villages, witches that perform rituals while they bathe naked in a pool of blood, warriors that drink the blood and eat the flesh of their enemies for power, and even the occassional wild orgy of wereanimals before they go out and hunt as a pack. I'll reserve the rest--you get the idea.

I doubt that Monte Cook can provide anything more substantial to the game that I cannot get from elsewhere. With all due respect to him as a game designer, I don't think he has what it takes to offer a truly dark and evil flavor to the game.
 

I do have concerns. But I will wait until the book comes out to decide if those concerns are warranted. From what monte says, it doesn't sound too offensive.
 

This is the only D20 product I'm salivating over. I can't wait to see it. I hope it's so evil the book has a cold feel to the touch and I have to make a fright check when I open the cover.
 

How to Handle the BoVD

Nathanael,

First of all want to congratulate you on your stance on D&D and being a Christian. I too am a devout Christian. I read scriptures daily. I pray multiple times daily by myself and with my family. I go to Church. And, I play a game called Dungeons and Dragons. I too have (at certain times in my life) found myself defending this game as simply that: a game. D&D takes place in the imaginations of the players. D&D is no different from when you were a kid pretending you were King Arthur questing for the Grail. You can do whatever you want in this game. That's part of the appeal.

My first reaction when I read the first (and now debunked as inaccurate) synapses of the BoVD was similar to what you have described. I saw myself defending this game all over again. And, this time I saw enraged people with quoted text on things like slavery, human sacrifice, and demon worship. The thing to remember is that you don't have to use this book. Also, the book is meant mainly to give DMs a handle on truly vile and wicked and depraved villains. There IS a section on playing evil PCs, but from what Monte Cook has said publicly that is only a small section of the book and its main intent was as an aid to help DMs make villains who are extremely villainous and worthy of hate. At first I was ready to write a letter to Hasbro and threaten a boycott and to ask if they knew how hard they were going to make my life.

Then I thought of something I have always felt about censorship and our right to free speech and expression in the US. And, this is what I always say to people when they tell me TV is bad, or the radio has too many bad things on it now. I always say "There are at least two buttons on either the TV or radio. One changes the station, the other turns it off." I remembered that if I don't like something, I don't have to see it, or hear it, or buy it and read it. In this case I intend to check out the BoVD very thoroughly before deciding to purchase it or not. If it looks like a sensible role playing aid that handles tough subjects in a fair and mature matter, I will purchase it. If it looks like trash, Hasbro will not get my hard earned cash for it. If enough people do this and the book turns out to be a flop then no worries, hit Hasbro where it hurts, the wallet. I'd also like to share something I have learned over the years: If you know D&D is not bad, and you and your deity, whomever that may be, are cool with it, who cares what anyone else thinks? Be happy, enjoy your game and make sure you don't fall into the trap of trying to force your opinion on anyone with censorship and the like. Sorry this was so long, and I hope the best for you and yours.

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Has anyone read the book series The sword of truth by Terry Goodkind.I'm sure some of you have.These books cover topics of evil that D&D has always shied away from, and it is handled tastefully for an adult. I will say that I doubt that BoVD will go as far as Goodkind did in his books.Things like child molestation,and sacrifice,Serial murder Jack the ripper style,and brutal rape will probably always be taboo for D&D.

But I will say again that nobody but Jack chick will even notice or care and nobody will even listen to him and other like him.After all D&D isn't the only thing he rails against the guy doesn't like Harry Potter either and most parents have read or are at least familar with harry potter and think its harmless so if harry potter is harmless then D&D probably is too.

One final thing to note is that if this book actually did get some national attention it would be the best thing that could happen to the game because so many new people would then get involved just to get back at their parents and the establishment.After even negative publicity is better than none at all.
 

Amazing. :) Flexy dislikes the Epic levels but loves that Mature Line! ;) Anyway I don't have that many concerns, since I'm just getting it for the monsters. I have enough info for running cults with Legions of Hell and Armies to satisfy my needs, even though I know people didn't care for the Thaumturge (sp).
 

No offense Lady Dragon...but I felt they were handled childishly, Goodkind's series that is. Now if you're talking about Martin, different story. I think that helps some with things like that, but he certainly can't do black and white issues too well. That, I believe, belongs more in traditional D&D worlds.
 

Well when I first read the Sword of truth series I was shocked not at the content I can handle it but rather that it was in a fantasy book at all I'm so used to the rated PG material most books and RPG material contains.

Oh and I guess I like the love story aspect of Goodkind's novels but then I am a girl :)
 

Lady Dragon said:
One final thing to note is that if this book actually did get some national attention it would be the best thing that could happen to the game because so many new people would then get involved just to get back at their parents and the establishment.After even negative publicity is better than none at all. [/B]

I agree taht plenty of folks would get into the game to thumb their nose at their parents, but I'm not entirely sure I always agree with the negative publicity=better than none. I work for MCI (division of Worldcom...$3.8 billion oops) and I joked about that too, but I think I coulda done fine with less attention for the company and their ailing stock price :)

That being said, BoVD will be much more tame than has been claimed I'm sure, after all, that's what Monte has said. Just like the Epic Rules thread, wait till you see the final product before ya start whining about it.

I grew up in KY and OH playing D&D and one of my best friends was the minister's son. Our whole D&D group went to the same youth group, were all on the academic team etc. Obviously nerds, but also obviously doing other things. We had our original group at the middle school shut down by another minister who's son played w/us and he thought it was Satanic. We're all well balanced individuals and never went insane and drank blood and :):):):), it was just the standard scared Midwest/Southern devout BS.

I'm not Christian these days and I don't bother too much when people make dumb claims about gaming. I give my quick explanation of how it actually works and if they don't belieev me oh well. I really don't care. I'm almost 26 now, I can take whatever they say :)
 

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