Boots of S&S, Expeditious Retreat

[Antikinesis]

In response to my assertion that the effects of ER and the BoS&S are not identical:

What does ER do? Double your speed. What do BoS&S do? Double your speed. How are those effects not identical?

ER: doubles speed and doubles jumping distance, both as enhancement bonuses.

BoS&S: doubles speed and adds +10 to jump checks, as unnamed and competence bonuses, respectively.

So, to answer your question, the two effects are not identical in that the speed enhancements and jumping enhancements are not the same bonus types, and the jumping benefits are calculated differently.

(It's probably a moot point, anyhow, since even I, one of the most permissive DMs in existence, wouldn't allow the effects stack. I'd let either work with Fly, though. )

-AK

 

[kreynolds]

So, to answer your question, the two effects are not identical...

Really?

ER: doubles speed...

...and...

BoS&S: doubles speed...

What is the point of contention here? Speed. Look identical to me.

(It's probably a moot point, anyhow, since even I, one of the most permissive DMs in existence, wouldn't allow the effects stack. I'd let either work with Fly, though. )

Fly? I'm not even gonna go there.

 

[Antikinesis]

What is the point of contention here? Speed. Look identical to me.

C'mon, Not-Sean. You're smarter than this. I'll take the bait, anyway...

Picking out the one thing they have in common does not prove they're identical. For example: Your girlfriend has two legs. A chimpanzee has two legs. However, this is no ways proves that your girlfriend is identical to a chimpanzee. (And nor would I ever assert such a finding.)

ER and BoS&S have effects in addition to doubling speed. Effects that are different. Effects that are not identical.

Fly? I'm not even gonna go there.

You are wiser than the others who responded to my "flying monk" troll.

-AK

 

[kreynolds]

C'mon, Not-Sean. You're smarter than this.

So let me get this straight...if I don't agree with you, I'm not smart? Can you not be civil about this? I would hope so.

Picking out the one thing they have in common does not prove they're identical.

The speed effect is the same. The speed effect is the one thing of concern. If a spell provides DR and Fire Resistance, and another spell provides only Fire Resistance, does the fire resistance from the two spells stack because the one spell provides something else as well? No.

For example: Your girlfriend has two legs. A chimpanzee has two legs. However, this is no ways proves that your girlfriend is identical to a chimpanzee.

No, it doesn't, and I'd like you to point out where I said it did. What it does prove, however, is that my girlfriend and a chimpanzee won't stack in D&D. Why? They both have two legs.

ER and BoS&S have effects in addition to doubling speed. Effects that are not identical.

See my spell example.

You are wiser than the others who responded to my "flying monk" troll.

Wiser? Nah. I just got lucky.

 

[Kraedin]

The speed effect is the same.

The character's speed and maximum jumping distances both double. These benefits count as enhancement bonuses.

versus

The wearer of these boots moves at double his or her normal speed.

It's not the same. Regardless, that's not a relevant argument. If a spell gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls when using a longsword, and you have Weapon Focus: longsword, the two +1 bonuses still stack, even though the effects are exactly the same.

 

[kreynolds]

It's not the same.

Both are magical effects. Both double your speed.

Regardless, that's not a relevant argument. If a spell gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls when using a longsword, and you have Weapon Focus: longsword, the two +1 bonuses still stack, even though the effects are exactly the same.

You're right. That argument isn't relevant (magical + nonmagical), which is why I'm glad that I didn't use it. Can you explain why the above spell example I gave would allow Fire Resistance to stack?

 

[Kraedin]

Okay, fine. A ring that gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls when using a longsword stacks with a belt that gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls when using a longsword stacks. Happy now?

Both are magical effects. Both double your speed.

Yes, and they do it differently. Expeditious retreat grants an enhancement bonus to your move speed equal to your move speed. Boots of Striding and Springing double your move speed. They are obviously dissimilar.

Can you explain why the above spell example I gave would allow Fire Resistance to stack?

It wouldn't. Fire resistance is not additive or multiplicitive. They simply overlap, like all non-additive, non-multiplicitive effects in D&D.

 

[Kraedin]

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So, to answer your question, the two effects are not identical...
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Really?
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ER: doubles speed...
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...and...
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BoS&S: doubles speed...
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What is the point of contention here? Speed. Look identical to me.

Meanwhile, in bizzaro-world...

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So, to answer your question, the two effects are not identical...
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Really?
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Originally posted by Bizzaro-Antikinesis
+1 longbow: bonus to attack rolls...
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...and...
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Bracers of Archery: bonus to attack rolls...
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What is the point of contention here? A bonus to attack rolls. Look identical to me.

 

[kreynolds]

Meanwhile, in bizzaro-world...

A delicately veiled rude statement. Did you give up on civility as well?

 

[Kraedin]

That's it. You're on my ignore list. Your shocking propensity for reading far too much in to every damn thing I type is getting on my nerves.