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Brother Shatterstone said:
ELH, rules make for a very high ego, but what do you mean by the "new" rules. I'm looking at making Brystasia’s sword intelligent also.

Volume control also. ;)

"New" being the 3.5 rules that are handily priced out for you. I'll try to use those and other existing items as a guideline.

Ah yes, and volume control.
 

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Wrahn said:
Um, those spells would certainly kill you. Backlash is for every round of the spells effect, not just the initial casting. (for a total of 3,240,000d6 damage over 180 hours)

Not in this game ;). PA house-ruled backlash to a one time cost.
Wrahn said:
Also, if you look at the examples they give, you can increase the casting time to 11 minutes for -20.

Thanks.

Wrahn said:
Last point is that there are specific rules about giving your followers PC classes in the epic level handbook, I am not sure that you will have enough 1st or 3rd level clerics to be able to do this. (I think PC class levels count as double, Also I think all followers have average stats so they couldn't muster the 12 wisdom to be able to cast 2nd level spells, though I think 11 is still considered average)

Nice try though.

There's nothing in the (non epic) Leadership feat that disallows followers from having PC-classes, and no mention of that in the SRD about epic leadership.
Even if you are right I can still have over 150 adepts, and they can all cast 1st level divine spells. (Wether the mitigating casters in an epic level spell are arcane or divine casters is entirely irrelevant, btw.)
I'm sure there are plenty of NPCs who have one stat higher than 12, and those who don't have a mental stat at least that high probably wouldn't become spellcasters in the first place.
 
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Serpenteye said:
Not in this game ;). PA house-ruled backlash to a one time cost.

Quite honestly, I think that is a mistake for the very reason you are demonstrating, but hey, it is up to Paxus.

Serpenteye said:
There's nothing in the (non epic) Leadership feat that disallows followers from having PC-classes, and no mention of that in the SRD about epic leadership.
Even if you are right I can still have over 150 adepts, and they can all cast 1st level divine spells. (Wether the mitigating casters in an epic level spell are arcane or divine casters is entirely irrelevant, btw.)
I'm sure there are plenty of NPCs who have one stat higher than 12, and those who don't have a mental stat at least that high probably wouldn't become spellcasters in the first place.

Again, this is off the top of my head, but I think that non Commoners cost 1.5 per level. I will look when I get home (don't have the rule book here and I am not as sure of that ratio).

Since we are at epic levels, I believe the ELH rules supercede the normal rules (which seems only fair since we are using the rest of the epic level rules).

Something else to consider: Every seven and a half days your followers gather and essentially worship you (give you their energy)? Isn't this more than a bit hypocritical of Sandorel?
 

Wrahn said:
Again, this is off the top of my head, but I think that non Commoners cost 1.5 per level. I will look when I get home (don't have the rule book here and I am not as sure of that ratio).

Since we are at epic levels, I believe the ELH rules supercede the normal rules (which seems only fair since we are using the rest of the epic level rules).

Seriously?

We may be at epic levels but I'm still using a non epic feat (until I pick up Epic Leadership). I guess it could go either way.

Wrahn said:
Something else to consider: Every seven and a half days your followers gather and essentially worship you (give you their energy)? Isn't this more than a bit hypocritical of Sandorel?

:lol:

I'm sure I can come up with a suitable justification when it comes to that. It's really more a question of bartering than of worship. I have my plans to assure that they get very well compensated for their work.
 
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Wrahn said:
Since we are at epic levels, I believe the ELH rules supercede the normal rules (which seems only fair since we are using the rest of the epic level rules).

Can stay long but I honestly don't consider a person to be epic in till you hit that first feat. Neither Antilles nor Brystasia has passed that threshold.
 

Brother Shatterstone said:
Can stay long but I honestly don't consider a person to be epic in till you hit that first feat. Neither Antilles nor Brystasia has passed that threshold.

Read the sidebar on page 25 of the ELH. Once your ECL+Level(s)/Hit dice exceeds 20, you qualify to take epic feats. You retain normal BAB and save progression until you hit 20 hit dice/level however. (It's like the best of both worlds)

And about the followers, yeah, seriously, they really hose followers over. I think this is a two fold reason, first because at epic level you can get some pretty butt-kicking followers and second to prevent what you are doing or at least make it more painful.

Isn't that what Gods do though? Worship me and I will give you all benefits?
 
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Serpenteye said:
Not in this game ;). PA house-ruled backlash to a one time cost.

Only for spells of modest duration, such as an in-combat buff. Looking at this, I think I'll make it per hour; you can boost yourself for a short period of time at a small cost, but not a one-time shot for that length of time. To allow this would also allow backlash on a permanent spell to be a one-time thing, and that's burning down the floodgates, not just opening them.
 

The DMG says followers only get npc classes. Only cohorts can have pc classes. I'm out of town, or I'd give you a page number.

Serpenteye said:
There's nothing in the (non epic) Leadership feat that disallows followers from having PC-classes, and no mention of that in the SRD about epic leadership.
 

It is Paxus call, but I'm not sure that sidebar is valid in 3.5. I think the re-release of the ELH will eliminate it. (For instance, Dragons have to be old, which means 24 or so hit dice mininum to have epic feats in 3.5, even though their ECL is somewhere around 40 when they are Old).

Wrahn said:
Read the sidebar on page 25 of the ELH. Once your ECL+Level(s)/Hit dice exceeds 20, you qualify to take epic feats. You retain normal BAB and save progression until you hit 20 hit dice/level however. (It's like the best of both worlds)
 

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