Brave New Planes OOC

[Velenne]

You're right, I should stop looking at the minutea and start looking at the big picture. I wonder if that is in response to making Power attack more powerful for the two handers.

Perhaps, but it still doesn't even come close to balancing out. I have yet to see an instance where 2-Weapon Fighter beats a 2-Handed Fighter, all other factors being equal. Ah well, that's another discussion.

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

PA, What would Brystasia know of these places...?

Anything in the sections of FRCS players are supposed to read.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Anything in the sections of FRCS players are supposed to read.

Rog, I'll write something up when I get home... I don't have that kind of information stored in my head.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Perhaps, but it still doesn't even come close to balancing out. I have yet to see an instance where 2-Weapon Fighter beats a 2-Handed Fighter, all other factors being equal. Ah well, that's another discussion.

Lets have this discussion, as I'm rather curious to hear everyone opinion but I would imagine that someone of Brystasia limited strength is more capable of doing more damage with more attacks but I will admit that’s based upon gut feeling and nothing else.

 

[Wrahn]

Lets have this discussion, as I'm rather curious to hear everyone opinion but I would imagine that someone of Brystasia limited strength is more capable of doing more damage with more attacks but I will admit that’s based upon gut feeling and nothing else.

This assumes all attacks hit, as they have the same chance to hit and crit, there should be no difference. It assumes perfect two weapon fighting and exotic weapon proficiency: Bastard Sword (require 5 feats and a 15 dex) compared to a greatsword power attacking for two (making the chances to hit the same, requiring 1 feat). The advantage goes to the Two Handed weapon initially.

These numbers ignore strength, because with perfect two weapon fighting it comes out the same:

1d10+1d6 (9 average) x4 = 36
Versus
2d6+3 (10 average) x4 = 40

Now assume that all weapons involved are +5, advantage goes to the dual wielder

1d10 +5 + 1d6 +5 (average of 19) x4 = 76
Versus
2d6+8 (average 15) x 4 = 60

Now assume that all weapons are +5 and the combatants are hasted (Note at this point, strength become relevant, at 57 Str or lower, advantage does to the Dual Wielder, 58 Strength or higher it goes to the Two handed weapon wielder.

1d10 + 5 + STR + (1d10 + 5 + STR + 1d6 + 5 + ½ STR) x 4 =(average 86.5 + 7xSTR)
Versus
(2d6 +8 + 1 ½ STR) x5 = (average 75 + 7 ½x STR)

(STR = Strength Modifier)


So the more non-strength damage bonuses you have, the better dual wielding becomes.
Two Handed fighting has several tactical advantages however. You do more damage on AoO, you do more damage on attack where you can not full attack, You do more burst damage and thus have a greater chance to penetrate damage reduction.

Dual wielding is more expensive than two handed weapon fighting, both in the terms of feats and in terms of equipment (twice as many weapons). I personally prefer Two Handed weapons as they present more tactical advantages.

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

Two-weapon, however, also provides more opportunity for feats and class abilities to come into play. A dual-wielder with Improved Buckler Defense can use a shield with impunity. A dual-wielder with sneak attack or precise strike gets more bonus dice. Two-Weapon Rend does ridiculous damage.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Two-weapon, however, also provides more opportunity for feats and class abilities to come into play.

I must admit I'm looking forward to divine might.

A dual-wielder with Improved Buckler Defense can use a shield with impunity.

Its on the list of feats to get.

Two-Weapon Rend does ridiculous damage.

Also on the list.

 

[Dalamar]

But dual-wielding costs more (weapons, that is). Of course, any effect that gives a flat bonus to damage on all attacks (like sneak attack) is more advantageous to the dual-wielder, since they deal damage more often.

And Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting requires a Dex of 25, not 15 (I assume that's a typo on your part, Wrahn). This means that in most cases a dual-wielder is better off with two light weapons or special finesseable weapons and Weapon Finesse than trying to also have the Str to compete.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

This means that in most cases a dual-wielder is better off with two light weapons or special finesseable weapons and Weapon Finesse than trying to also have the Str to compete.

You use your DEX to hit but you still use your strength for damage.

 

[Dalamar]

You use your DEX to hit but you still use your strength for damage.

I know that, but it doesn't matter how much damage you do if you can't hit at all (which would most likely be the case when you need a Dex of 25 and don't use that for attacks). That is how things are for Vilya: high Dex keeps her safe and allows a good attack bonus, but her damage is quite meager.