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[Brother Shatterstone]

I still would prefer not to use that variant; if you want the fighter feats, take fighter levels.

I'm not really looking at fighter feats, I'm simply trying to remove the sneak attack from the rogue class... It's not I really Brystasia if you ask me and I'm not trying to anything crazy with them... (I was thinking combat expert, and improved trip) I guess I can simply go rogue.

I also believe that losing two levels of one class is a closer approximation of LA +2 than losing one level of both classes, but I suppose I can allow the latter in this case.

Sweet, I do appreciate that.

Edit: Also would you prefer the Avenger class we used before or should we go to the Holy Warrior from the Book of the Righteous?

Edit 2: I can't seem to find that dragon anymore... I'll start looking through the BotR for the domains that suite Sune... (How about Aymara's domains: Guardian, Emotion, and/or Creation)

Do you have issues with a pegasus for the paladin mount?

 

[Dalamar]

To make things easier on converting Vilya to gestalt form, I think I'll just tag on Rogue levels on top of her, or maybe I should do ranger instead...

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

I'd be fine with the Holy Warrior, though I feel Guardian is inappropriate for Sune; Fire, Compassion, and Emotion seem like the best options. If you want a rogue without sneak attack, you might consider the bard; it's missing a couple skill points, but will give you most of the relevant skills, another strong use for your high Cha, and is quite appropriate for a worshipper of Sune; I'd allow the Divine Bard from UA if you want it. I don't object to the pegasus as a paladin mount, so long as you recall the reduced effective level. I'm strongly considering going back to the old 3.0 way of doing things, where the mount stayed with you instead of being summoned; if you have an opinion either way, please voice it.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I'd be fine with the Holy Warrior, though I feel Guardian is inappropriate for Sune; Fire, Compassion, and Emotion seem like the best options.

Compassion and Emotion seem like good choices but there's nothing in Sune's Dogma, to me at least, that warrants fire. Yes Sune carries a flaming weapon but this is, in my eyes, a "pun" off of her red hair.

Also her clerics receive the protection domain.

a few quotes:

Lady Firehair loves and protects her followers, who in turn manifest and protect the beauty of the world.

Sunites also offer their prayers to Sune by standing in a pool or bath and looking into a mirror lit only by natural light or candles.

Sune shares the waters of the Evergold.

Keep your body as comely as possible and as attractively displayed as situations warrant.

All the above seem to disapprove fire and warrant guardian... To be honest Brystasia as a concept was meant as a way to show through faith one can find protection. (aka divine grace.)

Now I have no issue with going Lawful Good, but then she couldn't be either a heartwarder and/or a favored soul and I would like to have both still.... It's not like she min and maxed. Feats are still tied up in Heartwarder, and her Heartwarder Caster Level is on her paladin spells... :\

If you want a rogue without sneak attack, you might consider the bard; it's missing a couple skill points, but will give you most of the relevant skills, another strong use for your high Cha, and is quite appropriate for a worshipper of Sune; I'd allow the Divine Bard from UA if you want it.

True... but there are combat skills in the rogue that I feel a lightly armored woman truly needs. (evasion, uncanny dodge)

I don't object to the pegasus as a paladin mount, so long as you recall the reduced effective level. I'm strongly considering going back to the old 3.0 way of doing things, where the mount stayed with you instead of being summoned; if you have an opinion either way, please voice it.

To be honest, I've never taken a mount in 3rd edition, either version, so I'm rather uncertain what to do here... I would rather not have to wait a year and a day to get a new one and if she can unsummon it then at least the mount can be spared from father suffering... (The later seems to be more in character also.)

Brystasia is a holy warrior of the 11th level so how much of this mount advancement does she get? I've found nowhere it says that you lose levels on this advancement table if you chose something other than a warhorse.

Also I have her as a paladin in good faith and one that can still advance as a paladin but she did take Heartwarder levels instead of paladin levels but I figured this shouldn’t truly be an issue. What do you think?

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

Rogue or bard, it's entirely up to you. The rules for alternate paladin mounts are in Defenders of the Faith, but in brief, your mount is treated as if you were a certain number of levels lower, only one in the case of the pegasus. I have no objection to a Holy Warrior of Sune taking levels in Sune's own prestige class, so there are no multiclassing penalties there (the system sort of breaks down in gestalt anyway). I must have been thinking of an earlier form of Sune when imagining that she had a substantial fire connection; go ahead and take Guardian, and revel in your Divine Grace.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Rogue or bard, it's entirely up to you.

Cool thinks for understanding... I might make a few changes as I'm really need of feats now with a mount... I guess a few levels of fighter couldn't set her back to far...

The rules for alternate paladin mounts are in Defenders of the Faith, but in brief, your mount is treated as if you were a certain number of levels lower, only one in the case of the pegasus.

Cool, I'll read them and also work on the mount... One more level of paladinhood would be a smart pick up also.

I have no objection to a Holy Warrior of Sune taking levels in Sune's own prestige class, so there are no multiclassing penalties there (the system sort of breaks down in gestalt anyway).

Indeed they do sort of break down but I am trying to main her devotion.

Do you have the complete divine yet?

I must have been thinking of an earlier form of Sune when imagining that she had a substantial fire connection; go ahead and take Guardian, and revel in your Divine Grace.

*bows humbly*

Edit: I'm not sure how my feats look so this might be a wasted question but how would you rule upon leadership but how would it work if she used the cohort stats on her paladin mount?

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

The only circumstance under which a paladin mount can also be a cohort is when it's a dragon; for that, the Dragon Cohort feat (from Draconomicon) is probably best. I don't have Complete Divine, and likely won't pick it up soon, unless I happen to go shopping and suffer an attack of consumerism.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

The only circumstance under which a paladin mount can also be a cohort is when it's a dragon; for that, the Dragon Cohort feat (from Draconomicon) is probably best.

Cool, I'll look it up but I doubt I can offered it feat wise... (edit: no pre for leadership... very interesting and very much Brystasia. Would the bonus HD and such come before or after the pegasus level was calculated?)

I don't have Complete Divine, and likely won't pick it up soon, unless I happen to go shopping and suffer an attack of consumerism.

The normal then? Email what I'm interested in?

oh on a side note I'm quite pleased with this book.

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

Yep. As always, email anything that you want to use that I don't have. I'm not sure what your question is about the hit dice; to calculate the bonuses granted to your mount, you take your Holy Warrior level, subtract any modifiers for a more powerful creature (in the case of a pegasus, -1), and then look on the table.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Yep. As always, email anything that you want to use that I don't have.

Cool, I'll work on it now... I see this as a replacement for the generic Divine Champion that we had talked about for Sune's Knights of the Ruby Rose.

I'm not sure what your question is about the hit dice; to calculate the bonuses granted to your mount, you take your Holy Warrior level, subtract any modifiers for a more powerful creature (in the case of a pegasus, -1), and then look on the table.

Only that as a cohort wouldn't the pegasus being entitled to more HD and such? (well after the ECL was figured out for it. Its base is 6 in M&M 3.5)

I didn't look at Brystasia leadership level, I assuming that it would be high enough that she could have her max cohort. (17th level, Her ECL 20, LA +2, minus two levels bellow)

And the pegasus as it is right now would be normally 4HD, +6 from the paladin mount advancement, +2 level adjustment, so it would still have 5 HD right? Or am I totally skewing the pooch on this one?)