Brave New Planes

[Endur]

OOC: Is the compulsion spell absolute control over my actions? i.e. If the Angel swore the oath I asked, would that be sufficient? Or would I still be forced to put the Angel in shackles, even though the compulsion said helpless and didn't mention the shackles? Do I even know what the spell is doing or not doing to my mind? In game terms, is it like a Geas or a Dominate or something much more powerful that makes your character an automaton?

If it was a Geas, both Sandorel and I could do what we wanted, but we would potentially suffer negative effects. Under a Dominate, we'd get another will save for actions against our nature, and if we passed that, we'd break the dominate. Under an Epic spell, it all depends.

 

[Serpenteye]

OUCH! I didn't realize the phrasing didn't require living. Interpreted that way, yes, you could kill him. At least as far as the compulsion is concerned.

ooc:
Since it's far easier to kill someone than to subdue them could we, by the wording of the spell, do anything but try to kill the Angel? Do we have to attempt to accomplish our order in the fastest and most efficient way possible, or can we take our time and do it the hard way?

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

OOC: Is the compulsion spell absolute control over my actions? i.e. If the Angel swore the oath I asked, would that be sufficient? Or would I still be forced to put the Angel in shackles, even though the compulsion said helpless and didn't mention the shackles? Do I even know what the spell is doing or not doing to my mind? In game terms, is it like a Geas or a Dominate or something much more powerful that makes your character an automaton?

If it was a Geas, both Sandorel and I could do what we wanted, but we would potentially suffer negative effects. Under a Dominate, we'd get another will save for actions against our nature, and if we passed that, we'd break the dominate. Under an Epic spell, it all depends.

It's like a Suggestion, but of unlimited duration. You cannot take actions that contradict it, and you must take action to prevent it from being obviated (if someone would make it impossible to fulfill, you must stop them, but you're not forced to prevent the spell itself from being broken). It suggests, but doesn't force, a continued progress towards the goal; so long as you think you're working towards it, you're fine. And, as Sandorel's going to prove, the wording is open to interpretation.

 

[Endur]

ooc: Well, in that case I can grapple Sandorel, because he threatened twice to destroy the Angel and I must stop him from preventing me from returning the Angel to the wizard.

It's like a Suggestion, but of unlimited duration. You cannot take actions that contradict it, and you must take action to prevent it from being obviated (if someone would make it impossible to fulfill, you must stop them, but you're not forced to prevent the spell itself from being broken). It suggests, but doesn't force, a continued progress towards the goal; so long as you think you're working towards it, you're fine. And, as Sandorel's going to prove, the wording is open to interpretation.

 

[Paxus Asclepius]

ooc: Well, in that case I can grapple Sandorel, because he threatened twice to destroy the Angel and I must stop him from preventing me from returning the Angel to the wizard.

That's a valid interpretation, if you want to take him literally.

 

[Serpenteye]

ooc: Well, in that case I can grapple Sandorel, because he threatened twice to destroy the Angel and I must stop him from preventing me from returning the Angel to the wizard.

ooc:

Very cunning.

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Sandorel is size Large, has a BaB of 20 and a strength of 22 from the spells he cast when they had just entered the Astral. He's probably not within a 5' step of the Cimmerian.

 

[Endur]

OOC: I think its funny that my character (the intimidator) is trying to do diplomacy with the NPC while your character(the diplomat) is trying to do intimidation.

Very cunning.

 

[Serpenteye]

OOC: I think its funny that my character (the intimidator) is trying to do diplomacy with the NPC while your character(the diplomat) is trying to do intimidation.

ooc: Well, my character has higher Spellcraft. He realises that the spell doesn't give enough room to maneuver for further attempts at diplomacy to be productive. We cannot compromise, the angel will not compromise, our only option is violence.

 

[Velenne]

Antillis reels from the spell and launches into the counter-offensive it had planned for. It seeks to pin the angel, preventing it even from casting verbal spells.



Using Improved Grab vs. his full AC. 4 attacks at +26 each, grapple check is +36 +2 for each claw that hits. Damage is 1d6+16 (magic), but the grapple is free regardless. First attempt is to grapple, second to pin and cover mouth, the rest (if any) are to damage.

 

[Endur]

OOC:
We probably are that close because we were all engaged in a conversation, but that is a GM call. For grappling purposes, Sandorel's spells even the odds (both of us have equal bonuses). But with four grapple attempts, one of them should succeed. Then on your turn, you'd have four grapple attempts to break the grapple, or you could cast a verbal spell.

Sandorel is size Large, has a BaB of 20 and a strength of 22 from the spells he cast when they had just entered the Astral. He's probably not within a 5' step of the Cimmerian.