Businesses saying keep the rowdy children at home.

[Desdichado]

Who's not allowing disruptive people in their places? You have people on cell phones talking loud, some places you have drunks, you have guys hanging around hitting on people....

Disruptive people are allowed in businesses all the time.

I've seen all of the above thrown out of businesses.

 

[Desdichado]

Exactly, so now you have mothers and kids being picked on becasue this guy feels he can bully them. But the big bad drunks people don't do much about.

C'mon, Crothian. Big bad drunks don't go to cute little coffee houses in trendy neighborhoods. And how do you know he hasn't thrown them out?

I'm not saying its a bad rule, I'm saying that as long as it is not being enforced equaly it is discrimination.

Not in the legal sense. Which I presume is what you are arguing.

 

[Desdichado]

How, they are being allowed in.

Because they don't go to coffee houses to listen to screaming kids. They aren't being served with the ambience that is one of the main reasons they go there. Denial of service is also discrimination.

 

[Teflon Billy]

Exactly, so now you have mothers and kids being picked on becasue this guy feels he can bully them. But the big bad drunks people don't do much about.

I doubt that he gets many "Big Bad Drunks" at his Positve-Energy Scone Shoppe

The guy also doesn't seem to be banning arsonists, but I suspect that he would object to someone lighting fires in his place.

I think he's dealing with problems that have already come up.

I'm not saying its a bad rule, I'm saying that as long as it is not being enforced equaly it is discrimination.

it's being enforced equally.

The rule applies to uncontrolled children. All uncontrolled children are barred from the place.

 

[fett527]

I have an 18 month old and I certainly do not take him out to restaurants and expect it to be relaxing. We went to a local restaurant for my B-day this week and it's a little nicer than what we typically take him to. He was not in the best of moods, but we tried to feed him as quickly as we could and then my wife took him home (my family was present). He was being too whiny and we did not feel it was appropriate to keep him there. I have no problem with what this restaurant owner has done.

Also, I worked entertainment/retail management for about 4.5 years and I threw customers out left and right at the different stores I worked at. Called the cops more than once.

 

[spatha]

well, schools and places of business are treated very differently and have different rules.

Really let me see.
School must be quiet, must behave, must not act up and fool around

Rules for my son and me when a child when out in a public place like a restaraunt, theater, mall etc. must be quiet, must behave, must not act up and fool around


So how are there different rules. I really am not following you as I thought society as a whole expected cetain things when in public from people of all ages and that is to act respctfully and not be distruptive to others.

 

[EricNoah]

But for every four that do that, there will be the one set of parents that act as if nothing at all unusual is happening and continue to dine or talk with their friends as normal while their kid screams or throws things or runs around with a toy, or whatever.

I'm not sure but the term that is coming to mind is "passive aggressive."

 

[Crothian]

So how are there different rules. I really am not following you as I thought society as a whole expected cetain things when in public from people of all ages and that is to act respctfully and not be distruptive to others.

If you don't realize how a school and a resturant are different, then let me just start with there are laws that say people have to goto school. rResturants are not like that Schools are not a public place like a resturant is. In ohio I can carry a concealed weapon in resuturants. I'm pretty sure I can't do that at a school. That is just a few of the many differences.

But I guess its just not good for one person to try to have a different opinion around here.

 

[Kahuna Burger]

I like how everyone is focusing on the bad kids and ignoring the people harrassed or made to feel unwelcome because their kids *gasp* made noise.

Ms. Miller said that one day when her son, then 4 months old, was fussing, a staff member rolled her eyes and announced for all to hear, "We've got a screamer!"

Kim Cavitt recalled having coffee and a cookie one afternoon with her boisterous 2-year-old when "someone came over and said you just need to keep her quiet or you need to leave."

If you want your perfect child free environment, stay home. Out in the world, there are these other people, some have kids, some kids make noise, or move or otherwise make their existance known. Once in a long while, you run into someone who is truely rude, but most of this fuss is just people who can't stand to share.

and this:

Mr. McCauley, 44, said the protesting parents were "former cheerleaders and beauty queens" who "have a very strong sense of entitlement."

Removes this guy permanently from the list of people I have any respect for. If all you have is mindless insults, keep it to yourself. He's the real world version of an internet troll.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

As a parent of two (ages 6 and 3), I can see both sides of this. They can post their rules, and they have every right to, and I would probably not take a chance of going there as some days my kids do act up. Do I let them run rampant? No. But some days they are going to push the limits of parental tolerance as far as they can. Oh, and I probably wouldn't waste my time and $$$ with a place like this even when I don't have the kids.

And to the restaurant operators out there - if you have a family with kids in your place, make sure the service is responsive. Most of the times where my kids have gotten out of control, a huge part of the problem was waiting a freakin' long time to get a server to take our order, bring out our food, and/or get the check.

I completely support the idea of a "no kids" section in any restaurant. It should be located close to the bar. "Kids allowed" sections should be close to the restrooms.