C&C and HM = D&D?

[Quasqueton]

Is Castles & Crusades and Hackmaster, Dungeons & Dragons?

Quasqueton

 

[Crothian]

Nope. They are Hackmaster and Castle and Crusades.

 

[Desdichado]

What a surprise. Crothian beat me to it.

I mean, yeah, both are purposefully reminiscent of D&D in some ways, but both are also purposefully something else.

 

[JimAde]

Also, as I understand it, Hackmaster is actually build on AD&D through a licensing deal with WotC. So it is, in a sense, AD&D with stuff added and changed.

 

[Desdichado]

The same could be said of any d20 or OGL game as well, though, from Mutants & Masterminds to Traveller T20.

EDIT: Well, that is, if you ignore that you specifcally said AD&D, I mean.

 

[Gentlegamer]

Hackmaster is a licensed version of AD&D, but it isn't D&D.

Castles & Crusades is a OGL "rules lite" version of d20, but it isn't D&D.

In my opinion, both are closer to D&D than d20 Fantasy (3e), which also is not D&D.

 

[twofalls]

Just to be a Cad

Yep, legally what you call D20 fantasy is D&D Gentlegamer. Arneson settled the lawsuit, WoTC recieved legal rights to the name, and they called their D20 game D&D. You can argue content, but the name of the game is legally D&D.

 

[Crothian]

Hackmaster is a licensed version of AD&D, but it isn't D&D.

Castles & Crusades is a OGL "rules lite" version of d20, but it isn't D&D.

In my opinion, both are closer to D&D than d20 Fantasy (3e), which also is not D&D.

then what is?

 

[Gentlegamer]

Yep, legally what you call D20 fantasy is D&D Gentlegamer. Arneson settled the lawsuit, WoTC recieved legal rights to the name, and they called their D20 game D&D. You can argue content, but the name of the game is legally D&D.

Thankfully, I'm not fooled by "branding" and other marketing techniques.

 

[jrients]

I find both HM and C&C to be closer the game I played as a kid than the product Wizards sells. Does that make them Dungeons & Dragons? Not in a legal sense but by my lights they are incarnations of D&D.