C&Ds for Online D&D 5E Character Generators

Ed Friedlander reports that WotC has asked him to remove his D&D character generators. Ed ran the generators at his site, Pathguy.com, including a D&D 5E character generator. His Pathfinder RPG character generator is still running. Thanks to Slayyne for the scoop (who also reports that at least one other site has also closed). [Update: while the actual request has not been shared, others have reported that these are very amicable requests].

You can see his closing note here.

"After almost two decades, Wizards of the Coast has asked me to remove my online character generators. I appreciate the many people who have written and thanked me for my work, and I hope you will continue to enjoy the hobby.

As a physician and gamer, I've supported and defended the hobby, and helped concerned families understand its value.

The "Dungeons and Dragons" phenomenon has encouraged young people to study other cultures. It is a game in which people work together to accomplish a meaningful goal. Characters even define themselves in terms of their good morals and their ethics. On one level, it simulates the spiritual warfare described in the Christian scriptures and in the Arthurian legends on which the game is based. I am proud that I was able to make a contribution.

My generator for Pathfinder will of course remain online. Click here for more information about this role-playing game.

May your dice come up 20s.

Ed Friedlander MD
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Back in November, the D&D Tools website suffered a similar fate, as have a couple of spellcard websites. While WotC appears to be largely easygoing as far as fan creations are concerned, they do take action when content from their products is copied or distributed.

Ed's character generator created characters by selecting a number of options, and output a character sheet similar to below. I'm not all that familiar with it, so I don't know what text, if any, it may have borrowed from the official rules.

As yet, there's no license (Open Gaming or otherwise) for D&D 5th Edition (although WotC does intend to do so), although a number of publishers have published books anyway using the older Open Gaming License for D&D 3E and 3.5.

What is interesting to hear is that some people who have received such requests describe them as very amicable. Toxic Rat says "Speaking from personal experience, I received a very nice email asking that I take down particular content owned by WotC. No threats, no warnings of legal action, just a request to honor their copyright." That's great to hear.

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I'm not sure what people are complaining about, but you responded to me.
yes, uyou think that they should not have sent a C&D letter for a place giving away a free character builder.... you are one of the many people on here complaining about it...
I have no expectation of receiving anything for free. I'm happy -- eager even -- to pay to consume the content in the manner most convenient to me. The problem is that for some reason, WotC cant (or won't) get. it. done.
ok... done... they can't or won't what else is there to complain about then?

Instead of telling people who want to consume content digitally that they're being unreasonable, perhaps you might try acknowledging that the preference-- especially in the context of an industry where every other company gets it -- is a valid one. And further, it is a demand that WotC is failing to meet.
it is a demand that someone do something your way... yes I get that, you don't get why they can't or won't do it though... so instead of insulting and complainging you could try understanding from there side...
 

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So, D&DI never happened? Weird...Maybe it didn't have everything you wanted, but to say "those tools never came to pass" is disingenuous. Character Builder, Rules Compendium, Monster Builder, Encounter Builder, Ability Generator, and two online magazines. Again, not perfect...they never did release a virtual tabletop (but others have stepped in to fill that void), but to say they never released any digital tools is just flat-out false.

*sigh*

I didn't say that. But several of the most high-profile ones, including the 3D game table and the 3D character visualizer, never came to pass.

Here's the bottom line: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is the industry norm. I can use HeroLab to build my characters in Fate, Savage Worlds, Pathfinder, WoD, and Shadowrun. I can reference complete versions of the rules for all these games in digital form. I can do neither of these things with 5E. It's like they're offering a car I really like, but without air conditioning.

Whether or not that's a problem for you, it's a problem for me. So maybe try saying, "yeah, that sucks, but not a problem for me" instead of "No, you're wrong, that's not a problem!" Because it really is.
 
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*sigh*

I didn't say that...<snip>

Yes, you did:

I guess you've missed the last decade or so?

I was at Gencon in '07 when they announced 4E, along with all the digital tools. And again in '08, and '09. *I waited patiently, but those tools never came to pass*. Now, almost unbelievably, they've done it again with 5E. Fool me once...


Here's the bottom line: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is the industry norm. I can use HeroLab to build my characters in Fate, Savage Worlds, Pathfinder, WoD, and Shadowrun. I can reference complete versions of the rules for all these games in digital form. I can do neither of these things with 5E. It's like they're offering a car I really like, but without air conditioning.

And you could build your characters for 4e in D&DI, even if you want to pretend you couldn't. They also had digital rules compendiums (not the full rules/core books, but a ton of stuff...) and all the other tools I mentioned. They also announced plans to have that, and more, for 5e. They had a problem with the developers.

If and when they get the digital tools they had previously announced, great. It'll be helpful to a lot of people. And if you want to pick up your toys and go home until that happens, that's fine too.
 

It's like they're offering a car I really like, but without air conditioning.

it's more like you came to a place to talk about Toyotas and said "Hey ford has X Y and Z and Dodge, and mercadies have after market add on that can do it too."

ok, great, go buy one of them. If you want to recommend that Toyota do so to, great, I doubt anyone will say "No they shouldn't" but don't pretend "Toyota is destroying there own company" or "Toyota is going to be hurt when everyone (or just a lot of people) flock to these other companies"

Its even worse, because you know Toyota is trying (maybe badly) to get the option but they found a third party selling and or giving away the option illegally and politely asked them to stop... Toyota did nothing wrong here...


back to WotC.

If you want them to sell PDFs (I don't care if they do I have the books) Ok, lets see if they do. If you want them to have cool tools to play with, then me too, but if they don't it isn't some huge issue. If you need these tools, then I'm sorry, but it's not anything personal they just can't or wont bring them out... they have there resons, and not 1 of them is "They don't want you to play"
 

To repeat: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is the industry norm. Maybe you don't personally care, but it's still a deficiency in WotC's product line. And it is a deficiency that is costing them (an admittedly unknown number of) players.

None of those facts are in dispute...which attacking me won't change.
 

I do find it funny that most of these responses are, "I never used this thing, I don't really know how extensive this thing was in use of copyright and trademark and trade dress and such, I had never even heard about this thing, but this thing being shut down bothers me anyway".

If you're looking for things to be upset about because of, "the principal of it" then you will find them. But in general I think it's wisest to reserve ire for when things you actually use and know about get taken down. There is enough to be upset about in life without looking for things to be upset about based on "the principal of it".

That's not to say I have no sympathy for those who are bothered by this, particularly if you did use it. If it's really bothering you, I feel for you man as I can appreciate the desire for digital tools. I don't personally have much of that desire right now, but I have at times in my life and it's a legit thing to want.
 

To repeat: Expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable, especially since the level of support in question is the industry norm. Maybe you don't personally care, but it's still a deficiency in WotC's product line. And it is a deficiency that is costing them (an admittedly unknown number of) players.

None of those facts are in dispute...which attacking me won't change.

Who said I (or others) don't care? (Oh, right...you did. Bad habit, that.)

Anyway, you're right - expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable. But, insisting there was no digital support for the previous edition, when clearly there was, IS unreasonable. Ignoring the recent issues with the developer of (wait for it) online tools for the current version IS unreasonable. Declaring a months-new version dead in the water because they don't have everything *you* want RIGHT NOW is unreasonable.
 

Who said I (or others) don't care? (Oh, right...you did. Bad habit, that.)

Anyway, you're right - expecting a minimum amount of digital support isn't unreasonable. But, insisting there was no digital support for the previous edition, when clearly there was, IS unreasonable. Ignoring the recent issues with the developer of (wait for it) online tools for the current version IS unreasonable. Declaring a months-new version dead in the water because they don't have everything *you* want RIGHT NOW is unreasonable.

Ok, you win. The PHB has been out for six months. When do I have your permission to expect digital tools? Or even just a digital book (which should take about an hour of effort)?

Good lord somethings I hate the Internet.
 

Ok, you win. The PHB has been out for six months. When do I have your permission to expect digital tools? Or even just a digital book (which should take about an hour of effort)?

Good lord somethings I hate the Internet.

you can EXPECT anything you want... but you can't pretend that when you don't get it that the company is failing or doing you a disservice....

Wotc wanted online tools and books for December, they hired a company (Trap door there was a big blow out you can look it up) they failed to deliver and at the end of nov/beginning of Dec where let go. WotC has said they are working on providing online tools and refrences, but they do not wish to just relsease the PDFs... what else do you want?
 

Actually, no. I don't have to pretend. They are objectively failing to meet my needs.

What do I want? Frankly, I'd be happy with a PDF release of the core books on D&D classics. That should take all of an hour. But I'm sure you'll now proceed to tell me how unreasonable expecting industry-standard PDFs within SIX MONTHS of the dead tree release is, and how entitled I am... :P

But whatever. I get it. WotC can do no wrong.
 

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